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Tilted Cat Head
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Location: Manhattan, NY
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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
The responsibility for those that aren't being obedient doesn't seem to matter to me. The responsibility lies with the officer. If the disobedient aren't cooperating and they aren't a threat to themeselves or others, I don't see why an escalation to taser use is appropriate under any circumstances. Again, if there were a gun or knife, things would be different; they weren't.
Those who are practicing civil disobedience have the responsibility to protect themselves from harm. If they choose to ignore that responsibility and, for example, get chopped up in the propeller of Lucifer's ship when they fall off, then the only responsible party is the protester.
It seems to me, Cyn, that you're arguing that two wrongs make a right in this case, and I just can't accept it. Yes, the guy was a rude asshole and was warned that he would be tased if he didn't comply. Yes, the police were wrong for escalating to that level of force. All that does is make everyone involved wrong. The guy was punished with the tasing. What about those who shot the darts and those that ordered it?
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I'm not arguing that two wrongs make a right. I'm wondering at what point the line is drawn. Since I can easily state being in a crowded theater reading any political activist book and as being civilly disobedient. I'm well within my protected first amendment rights according to what I'm understanding here.
So at what point do I the innocent bystander have to tolerate this disobedience? At what point do those person's rights of not having to put up with his crap, AND the crappy response by the police. In short, it takes ONE asshole to ruin it for everyone, and then everyone suffers ad infintum because of it.
He was well within his rights of first amendment to stand outside the hall and shout to the high heavens his opinons. He had no established right to stay inside the building after being told to leave.
People seem to think that first amendment rights means that they can say what they want WHERE they want.
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