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Originally Posted by dc_dux
I think you are confusing the issues here; prop 103 had nothing to do with the cost of electricity. It did have a positive impact on auto insurance rates.
I stand by my conclusion that national health care reform that can significantly lower the number of uninsured can result in the same win-win.
Please take a look at the study from Families USA (link) that makes a pretty strong case that less money "stays in your pockets" and you (and/or your employer) are paying higher premiums as a result of the costs for the uninsured. |
I'm not confusing how much money comes out of my pockets. At the end of the day it isn't how much less I spent on insurance. It is OVERALL how much money I get to keep versus all these other people who insist that it's better for me to give up my money "so that other people will benefit and thus I will benefit."
Strange because in 2005 I don't recall anything close to paying another $955 more for my health coverage because of these findings. My insurance premiums went up, some benefits changed such as formulary prescriptions. But no another $955 didn't come out of my pockets. If it did, I would have been screaming about that as well.
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Cynthetiq don't forget that if there were universal health care your employer would no longer have to pay for their workers insurance. Much of that savings would likely be passed on to the employees as raises (at least at the good places to work). So well your taxes may go up so would your income. My work pays around $1800 a year for my health insurance and I pay an additional $200 and my insurance sucks big time. I would welcome an additional $2000 in my pocket and health insurance on top of that. I'm sure my taxes wouldn't go up that much. Ohh yeah I hope you realize we are paying about $400 per person per year for the Iraq war....... thats probably more than universal health insurance would cost. Why should I be paying for someone else's war?
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I don't want to pay that $400 either. I didn't want to before and I still don't.
But you must be seriously delusional to think that the $1800 savings your company makes per head would be given to the employee in some fashion. No it goes to the profits of the company because the company didn't incur the expenses. You think magically that any business owner would suddenly give that money away? The only change that I see would happen is that the $200 you no longer pay would go into your left pocket and taxes would go up and that would take it right back out and then some.
Again, it still equals more money out of my pocket.
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Last edited by Cynthetiq; 09-20-2007 at 05:54 AM..
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