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Originally Posted by willravel
Your assertion that we should look to people like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson for an answer to the current healthcare crisis is asking a lot, and presumes an almost supernatural role to each man. It has less to do with federal power in general, and has more to do with the fact that times change, and thus solutions change. It is clear that the current health care system is not the cure for what ails us on a large scale. While it may be more than adequate for the rich, for many people it suffers from many problems. We can't just say "No more big government!" to every problem we see. Nothing is that simple (something Ron Paul will probably realize on his death bed). In order to solve real world, complex problems, we need to develop real world, complex solutions.
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But violating or circumventing the constitution isn't one of them. You want universal healthcare supported by all of america? amend the constitution so that it states that every american has the right to medical care.
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Originally Posted by willravel
I love the Constitution. I think it's one of the most amazing things humanity has ever produced. It's not an oracle, though. There are some problems to which the Constitution has no answer.
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There is not one recorded moment in history where 'more government' ever made things more free for the people.
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Originally Posted by willravel
If the Constitution were unchanging, you would not have the right to bear arms as a part of a well regulated militia. You have your second Amendment, as proof that the Constitution is a changing document. There is no argument against this fact.
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There is a prescribed process for this change, as you well know. All too often though, the far left uses the judiciary to circumvent these changes because they know they don't have enough populace support to change said constitution.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Why do you always do this? Post a link to a story that's an exception, then present it as the rule. You do the same thing with gun crime.
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Because you always state your ideas and goals as the end all/be all solution, that socialism would solve everything or that peaceful resistance solves everything. I'm merely showing you the chinks in your armor.
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He came here because the system for the rich in the US is actually quite good. No one has argued to the contrary here.
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Think about this for a minute, exactly what you said. If socialized medicine were that great, then there would have been zero reason for this 'wealthy' individual to trek to the US for surgery. That alone should tell you that all socialized medicine did was reduce the quality of care overall so that everyone would have some. Is that what you want for us here?