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Tilted Cat Head
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Location: Manhattan, NY
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Originally Posted by willravel
So what you're saying is that because SOME (an unknown number) of these people *might* be lazy or don't apply themselves, ALL of them don't deserve our help.
BTW, sympathy isn't necessarily a thoughtful reaction. I can have sympathy for people I don't want to have sympathy for (ex: suicide bombers). I do think it's amazing that you seem to want to punish these people, though. As if you're god, and because they don't live up to your standards, they don't deserve a basic necessity of life (and let's not pretend that medical care isn't a basic necessity).
There you go with those assumptions again. Those that legitimately need some sort of healthcare do not necessarily get it. If you've seen sicko, you've seen people doing everything they can, but who are met with insurmountable walls. Had I not been lucky enough to get my grants and scholarships for college, it would be reasonable to assume that I would have had to work even hard than I did (two jobs) to pay for my tuition. That may have made my school impossible to pay for, I would have had to drop out and I would have only had my high school diploma to get me a job. I would have had to go to San Jose State or maybe even a community college, gotten a less business friendly AA. and BA and I would be making a fraction of what I'm making now. Imagine trying to pay $515 a month for Kaiser when you're making $12 an hour and paying for tuition. I may have had to choose between going to school and having medical coverage, and there would have been jack I could do about it. What would you have said to that young man doing everything he could to go to school so he could be a responsible contributing member of society, and who couldn't afford medical insurance?
Really, there would be nothing to say except "I'm sorry." Well, I'm not satisfied with just saying "I'm sorry". I'm doing something about it.
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And more power to you. I'm saying NO THANK YOU.
I don't wish to contribute to it. We've had this same go round in the Sicko thread. I'm not interested in participating.
You can assert fallacies towards my arguments, when the same fallacies exist in yours. I'm stating simply I am of the opinion with no facts but anecdotal evidence and bias from life that I do not wish to participate nor contribute into such a system.
You go ahead, you change it. I'm not interested in playing alongside with you.
I don't have a college degree. I have a highschool diploma. I dropped out of college because I needed to move out of the house and wanted to live on my own outside of my parents rules. I didn't qualify for scholarships because my parents made just over the limit. I didn't qualify on my own except for student loans. What's your point? Again mine is choices. I wish to have a choice. I choose to not fund someone else unless I have a choice. Plain and simple. Call me selfish and I say great I am selfish to those that don't live in my village or my community.
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