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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
you know some of those stuck 45 million people are the people who didn't apply themselves in school. They didn't bother to take advantage of opportunities presented to them because maybe it was too far of a drive or commute or the work was too hard. Again, choices. When do you stop having to pay for the choices you've made in life? In my opinion, when they put the dirt on top of your cold dead body. Until that point in time, no sympathy from me as to the fact that your choices are limited by your education, your lack of skills, legal work status, or because your mom didn't hug you enough as a child.
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So what you're saying is that because SOME (an unknown number) of these people *might* be lazy or don't apply themselves, ALL of them don't deserve our help.
BTW, sympathy isn't necessarily a thoughtful reaction. I can have sympathy for people I don't want to have sympathy for (ex: suicide bombers). I do think it's amazing that you seem to want to punish these people, though. As if you're god, and because they don't live up to your standards, they don't deserve a basic necessity of life (and let's not pretend that medical care isn't a basic necessity).
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Those that legitimately need some sort of healthcare are provided for, in NY state we have a program that provides healthcare for all children under a particular age. Medicaid paid for my grandmother who recently died, my current maternal grandmother and grandfather gets benefits. They MOVED from NY state to Las Vegas Nevada because the benefits and cost of living would be better for them.
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There you go with those assumptions again. Those that legitimately need some sort of healthcare do not necessarily get it. If you've seen sicko, you've seen people doing everything they can, but who are met with insurmountable walls. Had I not been lucky enough to get my grants and scholarships for college, it would be reasonable to assume that I would have had to work even hard than I did (two jobs) to pay for my tuition. That may have made my school impossible to pay for, I would have had to drop out and I would have only had my high school diploma to get me a job. I would have had to go to San Jose State or maybe even a community college, gotten a less business friendly AA. and BA and I would be making a fraction of what I'm making now. Imagine trying to pay $515 a month for Kaiser when you're making $12 an hour and paying for tuition. I may have had to choose between going to school and having medical coverage, and there would have been jack I could do about it. What would you have said to that young man doing everything he could to go to school so he could be a responsible contributing member of society, and who couldn't afford medical insurance?
Really, there would be nothing to say except "I'm sorry." Well, I'm not satisfied with just saying "I'm sorry". I'm doing something about it.