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Old 09-17-2007, 03:12 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
First, we really don't know what sort of societies they had, there are no records of any kind. Claiming they shared things equally is nothing but someones untestable hypothesis.
Haven't you taken Anthropology classes? Historical information derived from archeology, paleontology, ethnography, and many more come together to paint a pretty clear picture of how hunter gatherer humans lived.

Not only that, but we can see similar behavior in more modern hunter-gatherer societies.

If you don't believe me, ask the foremost experts in the world:
Professor Richard Borshay Lee
Professor Irven DeVore
Read a few of their books on the subject, and you'll get a good picture.

As they both mention, and as is general knowledge so far as I know, the nomadic movement of hunter gatherers requires a small but equal distribution of resources (I think I might be paraphrasing from one of them, but I'm at work so I don't have access to my books, just don't want people thinking I'm plagiarizing). If a hunter gatherer has a shitload of stuff, he can't be mobile, will exhaust his environment of resources, and die. That's why capitalism couldn't exist back then. They had nowhere to put all their stuff (to simplify).
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Even if your claims here were 100% true, it just proves that socialism is successful under stone age conditions where survival is razor thin. Promoting modern socialism based on neolithic culture is not convincing that it the model that would work for anything beyond a small family clan. In such circumstances I could see socialism working as the society is small enough to monitor the slackers.
If my claims are 100% true, then the root of morality in humans today is socialist in nature. With stupidly massive populations like we see today, no single government works. Not capitalist, not socialist, not oligarchy. It's in certain combinations, including aspects of capitalism and socialism, under a constitutional republic, that I suspect that a large population (over 10m) could do well.
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