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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Honestly I'm the only scientist HERE in this thread,
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Really? That is surprising, since no scientist would have been fooled, as you were, by the methodology of the Seitz petition that you cited above:
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
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Here’s the petition text:
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p37.htm
If you scroll down, you’ll see the text “Please send more petition cards for me to distribute.”
Any practicing scientist (such as myself) will find this absolutely hilarious. Not only can I sign the petition multiple times, but I can order more and distribute them to all my friends to sign, and they too can get multiple copies. We can have a party and invite the whole Elk’s Lodge. No wonder the petition has 19,000 signatures. Science sure is great, I can make it say whatever I want to.
Before hearing that you’re a scientist, Ustwo, I would have thought the chances were zero that any scientist would be so gullible. Sorry to have to tell you, I still think the chances are zero.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
I want you three to take a look at this diagram.
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Nice example of how “correlation doesn’t prove causation” vanishes like a ghost whenever global warming deniers talk about sunspots.
Anybody who wants to claim that solar radiation is responsible for the recent rise in temperature, feel free to explain the following data.
This is a graph of four different measures of incident solar radiation, followed by the observed temperature rise since 1975. These are (a) sunspot number, R; (b) the open solar flux Fs from the radial component of the interplanetary magnetic field; (c) the Climax cosmic ray neutron counts C; and (d) the total solar irradiance, TSI. Sharp readers will note that while the temperature has been rising, the solar radiation overall trend has been slightly falling.
Go ahead, propose a causal model that explains how a slight negative trend in solar radiation can cause a large positive trend in temperature. The scientific community would be very interested in seeing it.
Ref:Lockwood and Froelich, 2007, Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature. Proceedings of the Royal Society of London Series A 463: 2447-2460.
http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/media...pa20071880.pdf
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Originally Posted by Seaver
I find it very interesting that CO2 started rising 100 years before Industrialization.... yet industrialization is to blame.
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Hint: stable isotopes.