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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte
He'd be the first person ever to use group association as a means to gain implicit trust from another group and thereby infiltrate that group to his own ends? Or he'd just be the first person to do so imitating Greenpeace?
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I meant GreenPeace, but I'm struggling to think of anyone becoming a member of a non-violent organization in order to mask his or her violent intent or actions. Nothing comes to mind.
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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte
Either way, I think the question of "is GreenPeace" violent is somewhat less important than the point that lucifer brings up in his post 129. If these types of protests become more common in the Great Lakes, at what point do we decide that it's interfering too much with a vital trade route between Canada and the US. Since RB wants me to say it, I will just say that given the choice between the two, I'd have protesting go out in favor of trade with our biggest trading partner.
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They won't interfere with maple syrup or zinc. It's very specifically things like coal and oil. And if they succeed, then gas and coal prices will rise, and the industries will have to raise prices for consumers. In this way, GreenPeace and other organizations are forcing people to be responsible. Let's face it, leave most people to their own devices and they'll act like big idiots.
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The concern is that this single incident looks like it cost lucifer's company in the neighborhood of $50-100k dollars in terms of actual expenses and opportunity cost. And the people who perptrated the act aren't really getting punished all that severely. That might make it a tempting way for other protesters to try to disturb this vital trade route. Furthermore, just because GreenPeace is the ones doing it now, that doesn't mean that ELF et al won't notice that it's not being taken very seriously and do something that's not "peaceful" on a ship. (yay I used a slippery slope argument)
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I think it's called a slippery slope fallacy. A fallacy is an argument based on flawed logic.
ELF knows it'll get punished no matter what it does because they are VERY violent. They are classified correctly as a terrorist organization, and are treated as such. If someone called ahead and said ELF would be boarding their ship, one could call homeland security and have helicopters there in minutes with armed men.