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Racnad · 09-13-2007, 07:19 AM

In trying to associate Iraq to 9/11 Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. have pointed out that prior to 9/11 that some members of Al Quada did visit Iraq or resided in Iraq, or met with Iraqi officials (as did Rumsfeld in that famous photograph). If that is the standard for estanblishing responsibility, then you can make a much stronger case of Saudi Arabia being reponsible for 911. (By that standard you can also say the US was involved because the hijackers spend a lot of time in the US attending flight school - I'm sure some of the 911Truth people are arguing that).

Not only were most of the hikjackers Saudi, Osama bin Laden is as well, and he has many relatives who are prominent in Saudi society. I don't beleive that the governemnt was involved in anyway, but many prominent Saudis are sympathetic to Al Quada.

To understand Iran you have to look at Iranian history for the past 50 years. Following WWII, Iran had a democratically elected leader who was overthrown by the UK/US for starting to nationalize the oil industry. The Shaw was installed, who ran the country as dictatorship using a Secret Police.

But the Shaw played ball with the oil companies, and was also anti-Soviet, firmly on the US side throughout the cold war. (An Iran friendly to the Soviet Union would have given the Soviets access to warm water port - the Persian Gulf - and it was VERY important to the US and NATO that this NOT happen.

In 1980, the show was overtthrown, and the US embassy in Terhan was invaded and occupied, with 50 US citizens were held as hostages. In international relations, this is a HUGE sin, equivelent to an invasion.

The current state of affairs between the US and Iran is a result of that bad blood. Iran is mad at the US for backing the Shaw's dictatorship and secret police, and the US is still sore about the violation of the US embassy (the generation of Cheney/Rumsfeld were working in governement at that time and remember it well).

Americans should also keep in mind that civilization existed in Iran/Persia when Europeans were jusy tribes of hunter/gatherers. The Iranians are very aware and proud of the their cultural history, and the don't want to play second fiddle to anyone. The idea that young Iranians would welcome a foreign invasion to remove their governement is abasurd as the notion that Amercans who don't like Bush would welcome a foreign invasion to remove Bush. If you think Iraq is bad, a US war with Iran would be much, much worse.

The solution would be for the US and Iraq to agree that the past is past and work together to move forward.

09-13-2007, 07:19 AM	#63 (permalink)
Racnad Crazy Location: Washington State	In trying to associate Iraq to 9/11 Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. have pointed out that prior to 9/11 that some members of Al Quada did visit Iraq or resided in Iraq, or met with Iraqi officials (as did Rumsfeld in that famous photograph). If that is the standard for estanblishing responsibility, then you can make a much stronger case of Saudi Arabia being reponsible for 911. (By that standard you can also say the US was involved because the hijackers spend a lot of time in the US attending flight school - I'm sure some of the 911Truth people are arguing that). Not only were most of the hikjackers Saudi, Osama bin Laden is as well, and he has many relatives who are prominent in Saudi society. I don't beleive that the governemnt was involved in anyway, but many prominent Saudis are sympathetic to Al Quada. To understand Iran you have to look at Iranian history for the past 50 years. Following WWII, Iran had a democratically elected leader who was overthrown by the UK/US for starting to nationalize the oil industry. The Shaw was installed, who ran the country as dictatorship using a Secret Police. But the Shaw played ball with the oil companies, and was also anti-Soviet, firmly on the US side throughout the cold war. (An Iran friendly to the Soviet Union would have given the Soviets access to warm water port - the Persian Gulf - and it was VERY important to the US and NATO that this NOT happen. In 1980, the show was overtthrown, and the US embassy in Terhan was invaded and occupied, with 50 US citizens were held as hostages. In international relations, this is a HUGE sin, equivelent to an invasion. The current state of affairs between the US and Iran is a result of that bad blood. Iran is mad at the US for backing the Shaw's dictatorship and secret police, and the US is still sore about the violation of the US embassy (the generation of Cheney/Rumsfeld were working in governement at that time and remember it well). Americans should also keep in mind that civilization existed in Iran/Persia when Europeans were jusy tribes of hunter/gatherers. The Iranians are very aware and proud of the their cultural history, and the don't want to play second fiddle to anyone. The idea that young Iranians would welcome a foreign invasion to remove their governement is abasurd as the notion that Amercans who don't like Bush would welcome a foreign invasion to remove Bush. If you think Iraq is bad, a US war with Iran would be much, much worse. The solution would be for the US and Iraq to agree that the past is past and work together to move forward. Last edited by Racnad; 09-13-2007 at 07:32 AM..