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Yes, I have. Heaviness is relative and means different things to different people. Ministry is less heavy than a lot of bands out there, though they aren't necessarily worse for it. This is why I don't like people clinging to the big names too tightly; they hear Pantera, Slipknot, Ministry, etc. and assume that the borders these bands established have not been pushed. They have. Listen to Concealed, the first album by Augury, and tell me that they haven't moved well beyond their early influences.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't enjoy those bands, I'm saying that their work laid the foundation for newer bands who have built on those early conventions and have now moved above and beyond their influences.
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