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Originally Posted by ratbastid
There you go right there. You might fight him--and you might win the fight--but you'd lose the battle in the process.
Ghandi was one of the most powerful people of our time precisely because he produced extraordinary results (the independence of India, the cultural unification of Hindus and Muslims) without force.
Dr. King same story. Powerful man. Altered the world. Zero force.
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And they both died for it by violence.
Also you might want to think about that cultural unification of the Hindus and Muslims line of yours, its not correct, nor was it ever correct in my opinion. It was a best a unification vrs a common enemy, and those unifications are always temporary and shallow.
Plus what ALLOWS non-violent methods to succeed is only that Western Civilization is powerful enough to restrain its own violence. Only our cultural sensibilities allow it to succeed, a very slight change in those and its back to slavery and subjugations which is what the bulk of human history accepted as normal.