dksuddeth, I commend you for taking this further, and in a direction that makes sense.
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I never intended this to be about gun rights. My intention in the original post was to hopefully show people that their law enforcment and judicial branches of their governments are not being held accountable for either their serious lapses in judgement, nor are they being held accountable for illegalities in their positions of authority.......except for the most egregious incidents which happened to garner enough public scrutiny as to warrant punitive actions in an effort to save political face.
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I interpret this as your believing the system of law and order being corrupt. Although you have offered a couple of examples of what you would call lapses of judgement or illegalities, I am still uncertain of the extent of which these take place. Is it widespread? Do the numbers suggest a failure of the system? Abusive corruption? Is America headed toward a police state? You should quantify this because I really don't know how bad it is.
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[...]I find myself actually supremely happy that none of you are my neighbors, friends, or family because I don't think I could depend upon a single one of you if I ever found myself on the prosecutorial end of a government that only serves its self interests instead of the interests they were originally intended for.
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What are these interests, exactly? This is coming out of nowhere because you haven't yet discussed these self-interests in detail. Do you think these incidents are done intentionally? If so, to what end? Do you think judges simply let accused officers off the hook? Is there some kind of collaboration between those who enforce the law and those who interpret it? Are these the exceptions, or are they the rule?
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People 'pooh pooh' the notion that we are headed for a police state when I make the claim, followed up by the facts of the actual incident, and I find myself almost ashamed in thinking that YOU people actually just need to personally experience the issue first hand. I almost hate you for that.
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Let's refrain from getting too emotional here. I agree with you, however, that we might have different perspectives if we were victimized by such injustices, but we cannot base such discussions on "what if" scenarios. It wouldn't make sense. Of course I would be more apt to agree with you if I were a victim, but I would likely be disagreeing with you if I were a member of the Toronto Police Services, or if I worked in the Ministry of the Attorney General. But the essential thing to know is that none of that should interfere with our evaluation of the situation. Just as these agencies have internal investigations and non-partisan, civil reviewers and auditors, we should be approaching this rationally and at arm's length.
Until you can provide wider evidence, I don't think we can discuss this much further. Just how big is the problem? Is it what you have observed, or have you uncovered other evidence?