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Originally Posted by willravel
This is a joke? Or are you being cynical? I'm sorry, but it's tough to pick up on without nonverbal communication.
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cynical more than joking... and while yes, sometimes laws are attempts at forced morality, in my opinion, rarely is the law about what's "moral."
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Neither a sperm nor an egg is a homo sapiens. When they converge and start dividing, they cease to be ovum and sperm and become a homo sapiens.
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unless what i remember from biology class is a bit rusty, i believe you just described fertilization. which you previously said that until implanted, it's okay to abort through plan b.
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I'd hardly call that arbitrary.
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we shall probably have to agree to disagree.
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Mine represents the change between two non-living entities and one living entity. Assuming your arbitrary goal post is birth, the kid is a human before and after birth. They're just in a bigger room and they eat through their mouths.
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according to what you said earlier, your arbitrary point does not represent the change from two non-living to one living entity. you said implantation. either i'm reading you wrong, you said it wrong, or...?
i'm personally pro-abortion. and until a the fetus is viable, i think abortion should be legal. (just letting you know my arbitrary point of no return.)
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There is ovum and sperm, then they combine, and as I understand it it takes something like 6 days for the egg to become fertilized and start into the process of turning into you or me. It's in that transition period that things like the morning after pill works, so it makes sense to use them. It's not about a *potential* person*, it's about a human being, meaning a living member of the species homo sapiens.
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i think we understand fertilizaton differently. my understanding is that fertilization is when the sperm and the egg combine. it takes just an instant. it may take another 6 days for implantation, but what difference does that make? they've combined into one cell, and the process has started. to say it's okay to wait 6 more days seems to me to be as arbitrary as saying the process can go on for 6 more weeks or 6 more months. it's still arbitrary. why should your arbitrary point take precedence over mine?
until birth, it's only a potential person... until it can successfully survive outside the womb, it's still only has potential. yes, it's a stage in the development of a homo sapian, it is a member of our species, but it's not a person (legally, morally or philosopically imo).
anyway, i'm about to hit the movies, i'm out for the night!
happy friday!
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Originally Posted by Infinite_Loser
I've got the perfect solution to this problem: t's called "Stop having sex". Shocking, I know. But maybe if I say it enough times, it'll start to sink in
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in a perfect world... but this one ain't perfect!
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I'd use the term Christian very losely.
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why do you get to define what is and isn't christian?