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Originally Posted by aceventura3
In many situations when an animal is put to death on a farm or in a situation away from a vet, a shot to the head is common. I am not sure why dog fighters would hang, drown or electrocute a dog other than them being sick.
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Maybe to "punish" them for losing?
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Also, there is the world of bull fighting, there is the world of fox hunting, to people not of those cultures, the treatment of those animals seems unconscionable. Personally I don't like the thought of picking a live lobster out of a tank to be dropped in boiling water for my dinner.
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This just changes the subject unnecessarily. We're not talking about any of those, we're talking about what Michael Vick did.
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I bet a few people in the Falcon's organization knew Vick was into dog fighting. The owner said Vick was like a son to him. Vick owned a kennel called, Bad News, raising pitbulls, and nobody thought to ask or investigate if he was involved in illegal activities before offering him the richest contract in the NFL? To that I say even people with more money than Vick aren't to smart either.
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True, it isn't just Vick and yes I'm sure the owner will eventually face some form of retribution when people realize this...... if they realize this. Perhaps, we shall see Vick turn over evidence in a plea bargain that could really rock the professional sports world.
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The dog fighting, gambling and Vick's pleading guilty is not racial, but there are racial overtones to the national response.
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The only racial responses I personally have seen or heard all come from the NAACP and the black community.
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No. It is not their job to respond the same way to injustice that doesn't involve "colored" people. The NRA gets involved in NRA issues and ignore non-NRA issues. Same for the ACLU, PETA, AARP, AMA, UAW, and your local PTA, etc, etc, etc.
I always found this, why don't the do the same for white people, argument used against the NAACP kind of odd. Well why doesn't the NRA stand up and support the causes of non-gun owners?
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See, I believe you are wrong here, in that, the NAACP or any of the named organizations should fight to make sure people have the same rights.... not turn issues into something else, like racial, and expect different treatment.
Again, this was about the NAACP response, not those other organizations, and I qualified what I said by stating:
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Originally Posted by Pan6467
Or the NAACP to start making this a racial issue, shows me that all they truly care about is trying to make this a racial issue. Gee, NAACP maybe you could really do some good and start talking out AGAINST these dumb fucks and truly promote the Urban Minority by praising the true role models and giving respect and honor where it belongs.... but no you would rather defend some self serving, law breaker, the Gangsta lifestyle, that has allowed this barbarism to become a "sport of the millionaire black athlete and entertainer". Course with their money and donations to you, they probably own your asses by now and you cringe in fear to speak out against this shit. So, yeah let's just keep making it racial, shall we.
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But, I guess that didn't fit into your argument.
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So what is the new rule going to be?
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Hmm ..... how about, not being a felon and thinking you are above the law?
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If a person has ever killed a dog they cannot play in the NFL?
If you are a felon you can't play in the NFL?
If you are cruel you can't play in the NFL?
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If a person tortures dogs to death, by electrocution, making them fight to the death (which is ILLEGAL), drowning them and so on, with malice..... and they are breaking the law.... yes.
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What about rapists who have been convicted and served their time? Murderers? Wife beaters? Child abusers? Drunk driving convictions?
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Again, you are taking this and trying to change the subject and focus, which is Vick and what HE has done. Goodall is working very hard to change the image of the NFL and yes, players implicated in the above are being suspended and blackballed from the NFL.
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To most people this may not be a race issue. To some it is. Some people hate young black hip-hop culture and hate the fact that young black males make millions of dollars in sports and entertainment, and they let their hate be known. Why should we pretend, this is not real?
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I don't see this as racial, but I firmly believe and I have the right to believe and feel, whether it is fair or not, that our athletes and entertainers should be expected to live a law abiding life, regardless of race and those that commit felonies should face the punishment to the full extent of the law.
I realize they are human and believe they are not role models.... but they still should be law abiding citizens and if not... then make them role models and show everyone NOONE is above the law and max their sentences out.
In the end, though, they are role models. Kids (and some adults) do aspire to play like them, to sing /rap like they do, to live like they do, to act like they do.
This goes for Vick, Hilton, Lohan, the white NBA ref, Mel Gibson etc.
But that is just MY PERSONAL opinion and belief.
Is it realistic? Doubtful, but would wake some up in a hurry.
Is it fair? Don't know, is having making more money than your fans will in 1,000 lifetimes and then leaving that town for more money, playing a game, fair? Is buying the best lawyers, money can buy, to get off a charge you know you are guilty of fair?
Is knowing that the fan, who doesn't have the same kind of money you have but is guilty of the same crime, ends up in jail, with fines they can't pay, without a driver's license, etc. fair?
If this weren't Michael Vick and just some "regular" guy getting caught do you think we would even have this argument? I don't think so, I think the guy would be tried and thrown in prison and there wouldn't be any outcry from anyone (except maybe his family) whatsoever. So what makes Vick so special, that people feel he should get special treatment?