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Originally Posted by Fire
Respectfully, will, have you ever been in a real fight, not a minor scrap or misunderstanding, but something where people were dedicatedly trying to do you serious bodily harm up close and personal?
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I'd say at least a dozen times. I've broken a few bones and I've had my nose broken. I've even had a bullet pass through my calf. I'm still alive and so are they. That's the bottom line.
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Originally Posted by Fire
I ask because I felt a lot like you sound before I was in a few- it seems that you are under the delusion that you will have the luxury of hurting someone to the point of permanent damage but not beyond. being in real fights has made me.
1- never want to be in another
2- painfully aware that life is not like training
3- aware that if it comes down to me or them, if I get to choose, its gonna be them
real fights suck, and while your idealism is heartfelt, I hope that you get to keep it......
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I don't like fighting inexperienced people or people with weapons that know how to use them. Other than that, it's not really so bad. If it comes down to me or them, I've made a serious mistake. If that terribly hypothetical situation coms into play, it's going to have to be me.
I suspect that a lot of people, in fights, won't stay in control enough to maintain their wits. That's a mistake no matter what. Part of my wits is being able to quickly judge if I can disable, how I can disable the fastest, or if retreat is necessary. It's about maintaining a state of conscious fight or flight. Simple in theory, and not so hard to maintain if well practiced.
I don't want this to turn into a pissing contest, though. I happen to have been in a few fights, but that doesn't make me a badass or a tough guy. I'm just some guy who isn't willing to kill. It's really that simple.
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Originally Posted by seretogis
Idealism and ignorance both start with the letter "i" but that is where the similarities end.
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Careful calling someone ignorant.
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Originally Posted by seretogis
Shooting to wound / disable? I hope no one takes your advice, will.
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Which is precisely why I posted this:
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Originally Posted by Willravel, the Wise
And on top of that, you're trained to hit the torso when you learn to shoot for defense.
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The simple fact is that if you're going to have a gun, you're ready to kill. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but that's completely barbaric.
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Originally Posted by seretogis
One of the most important things you learn in a conceal/carry class is that you do not shoot unless you must, and when you must, YOU SHOOT TO KILL. This is both because: a) if you shoot to maim/disable, you have a higher chance of missing and instead ending up dead, and b) if you maim / disable someone who attacks you, you will get your ass sued off of you instead of if you shoot to kill. A corpse cannot sue you and actually win in civil court. To protect your life and your property, you must shoot to kill.
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A corpse can't sue. That's very nice.
I can't wrap my head around how someone who's willing to kill for his/her property isn't in jail or under the care of professionals. At least I can understand why someone would shoot to protect him/herself and his or her family. Murdering someone because they're taking your shitty TV is down right evil. And that's not a word I used often or lightly.