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Originally Posted by omega48038
22.4 by family members + 27.1 over arguments = 50 % of gun murders??????? Faulty logic there - don't you think there's just a bit of overlap in those numbers? (even if they are accurate?) It's also pretty much a given that 100% of murders are caused by argument (read disagreement).
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Assuming that they had multiple choice (which is often the case in such stats), there would be zero overlap. How would 100% of murders be caused by an argument? Also how is a disagreement the same thing as an argument? Yeesh.
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Originally Posted by omega48038
Stats can be massaged.
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So can the NRA's numbers. Until we have evidence to suggest these numbers are wrong, assuming they're wrong makes no sense.
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Gang members shooting each other is counted toward "people being shot by aquaintences", also as "children killed by guns".
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It's fortunate that the person who held the study is a poster on TFP.
Oh, you're not involved in the study? I got confused because you're speaking as if you have a great deal more information about this study than was provided.
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Most victims of violent crime were known by their attackers beforehand, be it murder, rape, robbery or burgalry. Doesn't matter to me if I know someone or not, if they escalate an "argument" to the point that my life is in peril, I believe I have the right to stop the threat.
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How about you just not treat your relatives and friends like crap? Or be more careful choosing your friends? It's a lot easier than spending hundreds of dollars on a murder machine.
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Originally Posted by omega48038
Just like your extensive self defense Krav Maga training or whatever you're into, I would never dream of using my gun offensively. But how far would you go with your fighting skills? I would imagine until the threat to your safety was ended.
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You'd be wrong. I'd go far enough to disable them short of causing permanent damage. If it comes to a case where it becomes necessary to kill, I run. There's no way I'm going to become a murderer. I have a set of morals that I stick to. If someone is shooting at me and I'm with the wife and/or daughter, I get between the gun and the loved one(s) as we all run together. Someone else's life is not mine to take. Just because they are a fucking asshole doesn't mean I need to be. Besides, if I shoot back he's just as likely to keep shooting.
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I'm not going to shoot a guy for lifting my wallet, but if he orders me to kneel facing the wall in an execution position, I'm not going to comply. Pacifism's fine if you're dealing with another practitioner. What stops you from using your deadly hands against a family member or to solve an argument is the same thing that stops me from using my gun.
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I don't ever use my hands to kill. If you shoot someone in the leg, there's a reasonable chance they'll bleed to death. And on top of that, you're trained to hit the torso when you learn to shoot for defense. Any shot can be a kill shot. If I break your right collar bone, you'll hurt, but you're not going to die.