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Originally Posted by willravel
If you combine that with the statistics DC provided above, that 22.4 percent of gun victims were slain by family members and arguments (including romantic triangles) comprised 27.1 percent of reported murder circumstances, it paints a picture much different than self defense. In fact, it seems as if when one has a gun, they become more dangerous to those around them. If almost 50% of gun murders come from family members or arguments, that suggests that the holder of the gun, be they trained or not, becomes the very dangerous criminal that so many own guns to avoid or stop. I'd call that the worst kind of irony.
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22.4 by family members + 27.1 over arguments = 50 % of gun murders??????? Faulty logic there - don't you think there's just a bit of overlap in those numbers? (even if they are accurate?) It's also pretty much a given that 100% of murders are caused by argument (read disagreement). Stats can be massaged. Gang members shooting each other is counted toward "people being shot by aquaintences", also as "children killed by guns". Most victims of violent crime were known by their attackers beforehand, be it murder, rape, robbery or burgalry. Doesn't matter to me if I know someone or not, if they escalate an "argument" to the point that my life is in peril, I believe I have the right to stop the threat.
Just like your extensive self defense Krav Maga training or whatever you're into, I would never dream of using my gun offensively. But how far would you go with your fighting skills? I would imagine until the threat to your safety was ended. I'm not going to shoot a guy for lifting my wallet, but if he orders me to kneel facing the wall in an execution position, I'm not going to comply. Pacifism's fine if you're dealing with another practitioner. What stops you from using your deadly hands against a family member or to solve an argument is the same thing that stops me from using my gun.