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rat...you dirty bastid,
you just expressed the reaction i have to this discussion, and which i must confess that i (obviously) have not posted here. i think it moderately humorous that people will talk about personal accountability for their actions, being their own man, making their decisions and come what may - above all live for your principles (which are largely conveyed as being judeo-christian 'thou shou not kill, thou shall not steal, thou shall not covet, etc) - but somehow these fundamental personal principles never seem to translate to a social level. its as though when you have 10 or more people present, then all that goes to shit, and it's every man for himself, only the strongest survive...it's a dog-eat-dog world out there and by joe! we have to fight it out in this cold pragmatic tough luck horatio alger world. i've never understood the disconnect.
it's like watching a panoramic play about the fear of death and loss of ego working itself out on a worldly stage...holy shit! that's exactly what it is. well, in my humble opinion. but fear of death above principle doesn't square with the image that is publicly broadcast, and so it is not frequently discussed.
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