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Lokus · 08-19-2007, 12:32 PM

First off let me say that I do believe that there is intelligent life in the universe somewhere. Certainly there is life, even if it's not life as we know it but the universe is too vast not to contain other intelligent life. Of course, our universe also may just be a simulation in which case we may be the only intelligent virtual life as some sort of experiment, who knows.

Anyway Pan, I find your evidence utterly unconvincing. Just because someone is famous, doesn't give their opinion any more validity than Joe Schmoe who claims to have been anally probed. The only ones I would believe would be astronauts and the NASA guys. They say they believe but they have no evidence. Why is it that the aliens would show themselves to human eyes but not electronic sensors? Also, are there any other sources for the quotes listed above besides Gen. MacArthur? It's kind of funny that you would snopes him because I have no trouble believing that he said that. MacArthur was a bit of a loon, he repeatedly disobeyed orders and was convinced that a group of veterans lobbying for their bonus had been infiltrated by communists. Also I doubt the US had the capability to monitor or detect UFO's reliably in 1955 so MacArthur's position doesn't give him any more credibility than the average person claiming to see UFO's.

As for the Egyptian stuff, I only read through some of it because the constant five question marks after every sentence got on my nerves. The picture doesn't clearly show a gray on the drawing. Notice how all the people are in profile and in color while the alien is not. It's hardly definitive, more akin to people seeing the face of Jesus in their toast. If you want to see something, you will. Also the article says that Egyptians included pi to the 15th digit in the pyramids yet pi wasn't even discovered then. First off, pi was known approximately 4,000 years ago and there was even an Egyptian text with the value of pi. Secondly, using my own calculator and the original size of the pyramid in Egyptian cubits, pi is only accurate to 2 places. And I'm sure the Egyptians could make a perfectly square structure, they had a measuring system.

You say it's small minded to disbelieve something because you believe there's no proof. Well, how else are we supposed to believe in anything? Every idea out there has some sort of proof in someone's mind, that doesn't mean that I find the proof valid. If you go to a flat earther website, they have all kinds of justifications for what they believe. Does that mean that you or I are small minded because we dismiss it? I don't think so. I'm open to new views but in the end I'll decide what I do or don't believe in the absence of hard facts.

The real reason I don't believe in UFO's is why. Why would aliens who are so technologically advanced that they can travel interstellar distances bother with us? We aren't a threat to anyone except ourselves and the Earth. While we have the capability to leave our atmosphere, it is rudimentary at best and unlikely to improve in the near future. I would also assume that any society that is so technologically advanced would be socially and morally advanced as well and wouldn't abduct random humans for nefarious purposes. I just don't see it happening.

If I saw incontrovertible evidence or a UFO or aliens with my own eyes, I would change my mind. But to believe in something which can never be disproved means that you will never change your mind. Consider that for a second before you call others small minded or egotistical.

08-19-2007, 12:32 PM	#16 (permalink)
Lokus I can't think of a good title Location: East Bay Area, CA	First off let me say that I do believe that there is intelligent life in the universe somewhere. Certainly there is life, even if it's not life as we know it but the universe is too vast not to contain other intelligent life. Of course, our universe also may just be a simulation in which case we may be the only intelligent virtual life as some sort of experiment, who knows. Anyway Pan, I find your evidence utterly unconvincing. Just because someone is famous, doesn't give their opinion any more validity than Joe Schmoe who claims to have been anally probed. The only ones I would believe would be astronauts and the NASA guys. They say they believe but they have no evidence. Why is it that the aliens would show themselves to human eyes but not electronic sensors? Also, are there any other sources for the quotes listed above besides Gen. MacArthur? It's kind of funny that you would snopes him because I have no trouble believing that he said that. MacArthur was a bit of a loon, he repeatedly disobeyed orders and was convinced that a group of veterans lobbying for their bonus had been infiltrated by communists. Also I doubt the US had the capability to monitor or detect UFO's reliably in 1955 so MacArthur's position doesn't give him any more credibility than the average person claiming to see UFO's. As for the Egyptian stuff, I only read through some of it because the constant five question marks after every sentence got on my nerves. The picture doesn't clearly show a gray on the drawing. Notice how all the people are in profile and in color while the alien is not. It's hardly definitive, more akin to people seeing the face of Jesus in their toast. If you want to see something, you will. Also the article says that Egyptians included pi to the 15th digit in the pyramids yet pi wasn't even discovered then. First off, pi was known approximately 4,000 years ago and there was even an Egyptian text with the value of pi. Secondly, using my own calculator and the original size of the pyramid in Egyptian cubits, pi is only accurate to 2 places. And I'm sure the Egyptians could make a perfectly square structure, they had a measuring system. You say it's small minded to disbelieve something because you believe there's no proof. Well, how else are we supposed to believe in anything? Every idea out there has some sort of proof in someone's mind, that doesn't mean that I find the proof valid. If you go to a flat earther website, they have all kinds of justifications for what they believe. Does that mean that you or I are small minded because we dismiss it? I don't think so. I'm open to new views but in the end I'll decide what I do or don't believe in the absence of hard facts. The real reason I don't believe in UFO's is why. Why would aliens who are so technologically advanced that they can travel interstellar distances bother with us? We aren't a threat to anyone except ourselves and the Earth. While we have the capability to leave our atmosphere, it is rudimentary at best and unlikely to improve in the near future. I would also assume that any society that is so technologically advanced would be socially and morally advanced as well and wouldn't abduct random humans for nefarious purposes. I just don't see it happening. If I saw incontrovertible evidence or a UFO or aliens with my own eyes, I would change my mind. But to believe in something which can never be disproved means that you will never change your mind. Consider that for a second before you call others small minded or egotistical. __________________ The black wind howls...