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Old 08-18-2007, 11:13 AM   #19 (permalink)
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this board does not require prior training in formal logic
and there's no agreement about rules for argumentation.
so most of the fallacies in the op are not operative because there's no requirement that those who post lay the same game as others who post.

given that, this thread is not really about logic----it is about aesthetic preferences.
the question in the op is more accurately framed as something like:
given your aesthetics, which type(s) of logical fallacies irritate you?

there are a number of features of argument here that annoy me.

arbitrary axioms or premises for example.

if you focus on the rules of formal logic, stupid premises may or may not be problematic because you can't demonstrate premise flaws within a proof structured by them. all formal logic is about is (a) the rules that define proof and (b) problems that arise within or between steps and (c) developing and defending conceptions of validity.

it is obvious that you can arrive at formally correct proofs based on almost any premise.
and that the internal correctness of the procedure is only about the internal correctness of the procedure.
problems with axioms or premises are of a different logical order.

in many ways, this problem of axioms of premises sums up the politics forum. that's most of what goes on there--incommensurate premises, mutually exclusive arguments, differend.

another feature: the tendency to valorize compression because of the format in which posts appear.
soundbyte style.
as if this was indicative of something about the quality of the argument itself.
it isn't.

another feature: refusal to consider additional information.
this used to be something that bugged me enough that i nearly stopped playing here a bunch of times. it took me a while to get my head around how the board gets used and to see in the recurrent refusal to consider more or different information--and by extension complexity---not as an indication of laziness, but more as a function of how this space is used by folk.

in real life, i am quite impatient with all of this and am often far more blunt about it than i let roachboy be here.
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