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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Let me be clear. The Saddam threat predates 9/11. He should have been removed in the first Gulf War.
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So you'll retract your assertion that Iraq attacked us on 9/11?
Saddam was a threat to some of our Middle Eastern allies in the early 90s. After the last time we attacked, during Desert Storm, his ability to wage war diminished to almost zero. We were in more danger from an attack by Cuba than Iraq when we invaded in 2003. If you don't believe me, show me any evidence of weapons capable of reaching the US or any plans to come here and attack. Because there is absolutely no evidence of this, conclusively saying that Iraq was a threat to the US is completely and totally wrong. If that's not clear, then this discussion is a waste of time as you're not willing to stray from complete, unquestionable trust in the current administration.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
I understand how it gets confusing, but I don't think you are putting any effort to understand the opposite point of view to yours.
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It's difficult for me to understand how you can say that Iraq was a threat to us despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Terrorist have attacked us on our soil. Currently, many not all, are fighting in Iraq. Regardless of the reason, that is where the fight is. If we leave Iraq, the fight doesn't end with the terrorist. This war like many others can be fought on multiple fronts - Iraq is one. We more or less chose Iraq and one way to look at it is that getting rid of Saddam was a secondary benefit, although I think it was a primary benefit. Afghanistan is not a good location to take the fight to the terrorists.
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The al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11.
The al Qaeda had absolutely zero presence in Iraq in 2003, 2004, and as late as 2005. We broke down the successful Iraqi line of defense against the al Qaeda and allowed the al Qaeda to move in. The invasion of Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with the so called war on terror. You need to check your timeline and your facts.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Left alone?!? When Bin laden was hiding in Afghanistan planning 9/11 who the hell was bothering him.
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I guess you forgot about the bombing campaigns through the 90s and the sanctions. It's easy to forget 1,000,000 deaths if it's far away.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
You don't think they want to control how everyone practices their religion in the ME? Why do you think they would stop in the ME and not control the "western world"? That after thought about revenge, seems to be pretty important to them, doesn't it. I am sure they need revenge on children who were not even alive when supposed wrongs were commited against them. Revenge against other Muslims is really serving their cause too. I am not sure how you can justify the actions of these people. Having the intent and planning to kill innocent people is simply wrong. If you think that is what we do, I suggest you spend time talking to some of our people in the military.
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You have absolutely no idea what the al Qaeda is. Until you familiarize yourself with their goals, you'll be ignored from here on out.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Why do they blow up buildings? What is the point then? Tell me how it works.
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1) They blow up buildings to make people want to stop attacking and invading them.
2) They blow up buildings in response to attacks on them.
3) They blow up buildings to kill targets in opposing organizations
It has nothing to do with Islam.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Re-visiting past military actions is a common training technique in the military. Hypothetical can be very helpful. I do get your point, from your point of view. You are lucky to live in a country at a time when others take military issues seriously.
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Bwahahaha.. Yeah I'm really lucky to have an out of control government that invades and kills without reason. Whoopty do.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
It was a point based on an observation. Truth hurts sometimes.
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The truth hurts sometimes...oy vey. You mean like the truth that Iraq could not have attacked us between 1992 and 2003? Like that truth?
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Again, we will never agree or find any common ground on this issue. I will read what others have to say on this topic for a while.
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Translation: I don't think I can keep up with the next round, so I forfeit.