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Originally Posted by Rekna
Ace please stop with the strawman argument that "they will follow us home".
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How about you and others stop with this particular straw man argument. I did not say they would follow us home, I said the fight would not end.
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All studies I have read have concluded that the "Al Qaeda in Iraq" is different than the Al Qaeda that attacked us and is related only by name.
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Here is your second straw man argument. In this thread I have not used the term "Al Qaeda", I have referred to '"terrorist" and "Islamic extremists".
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If we would not have attacked Iraq there would be less dead Americans, not to mention countless Iraqi's that have died as a result of our imperialism.
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How do you know this?
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I doubt they would follow us home, and if they did they wouldn't do much damage.
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How do you know this?
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We would be better off bringing our troops home, using the saved money to beef up our security, and then taking the remaining billions of dollars and investing it into things that actually kill people like preventing any of the following:
Deaths-Leading Causes
(Data are for U.S. for year indicated)
Number of deaths for leading causes of death
Heart disease: 654,092
Cancer: 550,270
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,147
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 123,884
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 108,694
Diabetes: 72,815
Alzheimer's disease: 65,829
Influenza/Pneumonia: 61,472
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 42,762
Septicemia: 33,464
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Isn't the above a non sequitur. Just becuse we don't spend money on the war against terror and spend it on other things does not necessarily mean we will be "better off".
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There once was a great president who said "We have nothing to fear but fear itself".
Now we have Necon's like Bush, Guillani, and yourself coming out and saying "Be afraid, be very afraid, the boogeyman is out to get you and only the Neocons can protect you". To that I have to say grow up, get a spine, and start acting like an American.
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I guess this is your third straw man argument. I am not afraid, nor am I saying be afraid. What I have said is that Saddam was a threat, terrorists have attacked us on our soil, terrorists want to kill us, terrorist kill innocent people, etc. I have the position that we take the fight to the terrorists. I think my position is the opposite of fear. i am willing to sacrifice and even die for the cause of freedom.
By the way - I think in your use of the FDR quote in the point you tried to make indicates a misinterpretation of the quote.
For the record here is the paragraph containing the quote. I think his point was for Americans to take aggressive rather than passive action.
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I AM certain that my fellow Americans expect that on my induction into the Presidency I will address them with a candor and a decision which the present situation of our Nation impels. This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.
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