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oh, sorry ace: i only popped in late and saw your question, but didn't follow everything back. my answer would be that bush and cheney are responsible for what is happening in iraq, and yes - if good things come out of it i expect they will be get some credit for that. however, i can't personally say much positive about them because i fundamentally disagree with their methodology. i'm not a pacifist, but i think that the level of violence we have engaged in was uncalled for. it would depend on what good things came about, and how they came about. would they come because of our military intervention, or in spite of it? i don't want to get philosophical here, but i think things tend to happen as they should in a general way, and that therefore what is happening in iraq is what has to happen in iraq. regardless, i do not like it, nor do i think that it is the *only* way things could happen in iraq. but we are limited, as a species, by ourselves.
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