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Originally Posted by Martian
That is valid, and speaking person to person I share your fascination. However, even when we're on opposite sides of a debate you've always struck me as a man of reason and logic, which means I don't need to remind you that personal desire has no place in a discussion regarding proofs and probabilities. Discounting eyewitnesses (who are notoriously unreliable), there's no concrete proof that any sort of extraterrestrial beings have ever visited Earth, or even that any exist. It's sad but true.
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Originally Posted by willravel
So let me be clear: There is no evidence to suggest there is extraterrestrial life.
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Really??????
Stanton Friedman gives a good debate:
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sfhome.html
But he's just out there to make money off of it. Forget the fact he was an accomplished nuclear physicist, he in 1967 decided to just throw it all away and go after the millions of dollars to be had in UFOs, in the late 60's and early 70's.
But then again, why do the Egyptians in their pyramids have drawings of aliens we call "grays".
http://netscientia.com/egypt.html
And of course these guys are all raving nuts looking for attention
all quotes are found here:
http://netscientia.com/ufo_quotes.html along with many others.
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Gen. Douglas MacArthur that, "...the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets. The politics of the future will be cosmic, or interplanetary"
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(And for those Snopes fans who want to debunk it:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/macarthur.asp)
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"All Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."
--Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems.
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"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."
--NASA's Scott Carpenter
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When asked if he believed that UFO's were real;"Yes as a matter of fact I do." He was also asked if he had ever seen a UFO and he said he had, on his Gemini mission. He went on to say that he tried to take a picture of it, but it did not come out.
--Brigadier Gen. James Mc Divitt command pilot of the Gemini space craft. (This interview can be seen on a video tape called Beyond Belief, from United Entertainment, Inc. 1986.)
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On the campaign trail, soon-to-be President Jimmy Carter promises that upon election, he would make public all the government's information on UFO sightings.
"I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. I've seen one myself!"
--President Jimmy Carter (1976)
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"I looked out the window and saw this white light.It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said,Have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light.We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."
--President Ronald Reagen (Describing his 1974 UFO encounter to veteran newsman Norman C. Miller, then Washington bureau chief for the Wall Street Journal.)
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"I think about how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And I ask you, does not this threat alread exsist?"
--President Ronald Reagen UN address
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"The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously."
--Mikhail Gorbachev
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But it's all hooey and there is no proof, right?
Roswell was just a weather balloon, thousands of pictures, millions of eyewitnesses, hundreds of stories that appear, all the quotes in the Bible referring to aliens, the Egyptian, Mayans, and so on all have detailed pictures of "grays", men in spacesuits, all talk of other worlds and so on..... all hooey.
I just find it very small minded to debunk something just because there is "no proof" in your view.
Also very egotistical to believe as infinite as the universe is we are alone.... even worse is to believe that if there is life out they aren't advanced enough to fly the distances needed to come here.
I'm not saying we are special but perhaps we are of interest to them because we are developing into a potential threat. Who knows? But I believe and will forever believe.... because I have yet to see PROOF they don't exist.