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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
smaller groups necessitate the dependancy of all to survive. Everyone has to do their fair share for the entire group to progress. At a certain point in population rise, you lose that 'accountability' to the group and it is at that point that socialism fails.
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Morality necessitates everyone possible survive. It is immorality and selfishness that takes over and that only happens because of the level of the accumulation of power being unchecked. If a society knew it was growing fast and that the free market was going to cause problems down the road (ex: power and fuel companies), they could put in place proper regulation so that they can't become powerful enough to effect the social or political development of a society. That accountability is what's necessary to live in a safe and sound society.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
It's not an assumption at all. If I choose to sell my labor to someone else, I get rewarded, but there is no social contract for that person to provide for me the rest of their life.
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But in capitalism, one would be rewarded for hard work.
[QUOTE=dksuddeth][QUOTE=willravel]Socialism isn't the government taking 18% to help someone else. Socialism is the government taking 18% to help everyone including you.
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not even close. In order for the government to provide for those that can least afford it, it needs to have guidelines and policies to determine a point where someone makes more than is necessary and is not qualified for that help. Do you see the federal government helping someone with medical insurance who makes 52k a year? or 152k a year? is that 18% helping them?
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It's not help, it's a whole national health organization. The medical organization, funded by taxes and other public revenue, would be by everyone, for everyone. If you are broke, you still pay taxes. If you're a billionaire, you still pay taxes. Everyone pays their share and absolutely everyone gets covered. Just like police and fire coverage. You don't have to pay for fireman insurance. They show up because they're funded by our government. You don't have toi worry about paying a premium to get second story coverage, and you don't have to worry about being denied.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
not sure i get this. you're tieing city municipal costs with medical insurance?
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You brought up your hypothetical wife needing surgery. It's just like NHS. There is a government run and funded program that provides health services.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
someone needs to take the blinders off and pull their head out of the sand. A free transplant? how does that get paid for?
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The same way a firetruck gets paid for. The same way a police station gets paid for. The same way traffic lights get paid for. The same way sidewalks get paid for.