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Originally Posted by willravel
Why not larger? Leaving aside for the moment that our planet is overpopulated by our species, why can't the socialist structure be implemented on a city-state or even nation scale? Obviously, the Russians botched it from the get go, so I don't think we've seen a modern socialist nation... and yet here you are saying conclusively that they fail.
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smaller groups necessitate the dependancy of all to survive. Everyone has to do their fair share for the entire group to progress. At a certain point in population rise, you lose that 'accountability' to the group and it is at that point that socialism fails.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Those are the assumptions of capitalism. You're a damn good worker, but you're laid off. That goes against the idea that capitalism rewards hard work. Capitalism rewards selfishness and greed.
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It's not an assumption at all. If I choose to sell my labor to someone else, I get rewarded, but there is no social contract for that person to provide for me the rest of their life.
[QUOTE=willravel]Socialism isn't the government taking 18% to help someone else. Socialism is the government taking 18% to help everyone including you.[QUOTE]not even close. In order for the government to provide for those that can least afford it, it needs to have guidelines and policies to determine a point where someone makes more than is necessary and is not qualified for that help. Do you see the federal government helping someone with medical insurance who makes 52k a year? or 152k a year? is that 18% helping them?
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Originally Posted by willravel
Can you imagine paying something like $80 a month for full medical coverage with no copay? That's a system everyone, including you, could use in a socialist system of health care. You already use it with police and fire coverage. I wonder, if you could withhold the money you pay to the PD and Fire Department, would you? Would you be financially responsible for someone burning to death?
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not sure i get this. you're tieing city municipal costs with medical insurance?
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Originally Posted by willravel
The funny thing is, the system you describe above is capitalist. You'd have enough for real food in a socialist system. If you didn't have enough, you'd get it for free while you worked out a way to find more income. Also, your wife would get a free heart transplant. 100% free. And the doctors would be just as good as any doctors in a capitalist system, except there would be less red tape to get procedures done, so you'd get the surgery without having to sell it to your doctor, who has to sell it to a board, who eventually has to sell it to someone who signs the checks.
It's patting yourself on the back.
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someone needs to take the blinders off and pull their head out of the sand. A free transplant? how does that get paid for?