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Originally Posted by roachboy
nice host...
i was going to post something, but it's better to wait for a response, i think.
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a response to what? proof that the government legally steals so they can give unearned wages to people that won't get a job or learn to make something?
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Originally Posted by willravel
Well first off, throwing out American capitalists is a good thing in Latin America.
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why?
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Originally Posted by willravel
Yes, but we've not actually seen any misuse of power. In the case of Bush we have war and spying. Even if Hugo is on the same road as Bush and eventually Hitler, he's not anywhere near as far along the path.
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so all actions are fine, right up until the point where he misuses his power? do you not remember history?
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Originally Posted by willravel
You should speak to Native American tribesmen about how life was several hundred years ago. Socialism was perfect for Native Americans on the whole because they placed more value on the whole than the individual, and until a civilization (that happened to have developed in an area with mine-able metals closer to the surface and beasts of labor that are easily trained, read "Guns Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond for more information) came to destroy them with better technology and capitalism, they were a thriving set of civilizations. Socialism succeeded, and each of the tribesmen (tribespeople) were able to live free and fulfilling lives despite working for the whole first and the individual second.
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I'm part native american and know the cherokee history fairly well, so lets try understanding WHY socialism works in a tribal setting but not in large urban population centers.
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Originally Posted by willravel
It's harder to prevent segregation in a capitalist society. It's harder to prevent corporations in a capitalist society. It's harder to have low unemployment in a capitalist society. It's impossible to avoid having low wages, a large amount of poor people, and even starvation in a capitalist society. It's almost impossible to prevent corporations from becoming entities only centered around profit in a capitalist society. In all of these areas and many more, socialism manages to succeed.
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not a single one of these ills of capitalism wouldn't also be solved by deregulating the millions of trade and commerce policies and it would allow people to keep what they make instead of giving up part of their labor rewards to deadbeats and idiots who can't or won't find a job.
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Originally Posted by Rekna
dk he is not a dictator. He has been elected multiple times and has won each election. Those elections were certified by international bodies as fair. The only thing that i've read he has done that i don't agree with is the censuring of some news organizations. Of course he believes these news organizations took part in a coup which was likely privately supported by the US.
What I don't understand is why you don't rail against Saudi Arabia for their dictatorship and their censorship....
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probably because this is about hugo chavez and latin america, not saudi arabia.