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Old 08-06-2007, 10:59 AM   #21 (permalink)
Martian
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Originally Posted by ericdubay
I give you all this information and instead of looking into anything of relevance you make this semantic argument about the translation being "New Order of the Ages" instead of "New World Order?" You're right about changing "World" to "Ages", but you're avoiding the reality of the NWO by cynically debating rhetorical issues like this.

Go to www.myspace.com/sheeplerevolt and read "The History of the New World Order" and "The Secret Society Network" watch "Total Onslaught - The New World Order" and "Terrorstorm." Follow the links and spend some time researching this folks. Also try www.whatreallyhappened.com www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com and www.freedom-fight.net
Sigh.

I've already read your myspace page. I've already watched the videos. I have read every bloody word of unsourced quotes and unfounded accusations you've posted in this thread. I took issue with the dollar bill because, as I previously stated, it is the only thing you've given me so far in all these reams of 'information' that can be readily verified. Upon taking the time to look into it (which took longer than you'd think, since I had to actually go and figure out what I'd done with my Latin dictionary), I discovered that you were (and there is, unfortunately, no real nice way to say this) completely out-and-out wrong. There is nothing there that supports your claims. New Order of the Ages does not mean the same thing as New World Order.

Again, to be totally clear I refuted (not argued, because the word argue suggests a series of counter-arguments and 'no, only pay attention to the claims I want you to read!' is not a counter-argument) the dollar bill issue because it's the only one that is not rehtorical and can, in fact, be discussed. I can't provide any sort of argument for or against anything else you've written here because the only source you're giving me is you; your posts and your website. I will be kind and assume that your grasp of Latin is not equal to mine and that therefore you simply mistranslated rather than grabbing some unsourced statement and not bothering to verify it when for an American citizen all it takes to verify is to reach into your pocket. Either way the fact remains that this isn't a case of a changed word. What the phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum means and what you suggested it means are two entirely different things.

To be honest, your best piece of evidence so far is that Nixon tape. I haven't the means to verify that it is actually Nixon speaking and not just some nutjob looking for attention, but if we assume for the sake of argument that it is in fact him, it still proves very little. You've got him referring to Bohemian Grove as "the faggiest goddamn place," which really only proves that Bohemian Grove does actually exist and that Nixon may have been there. Apart from that, it gives you nothing. What constitutes faggy in Richard Nixon's eyes? Does that mean he saw men engaging in acts of homoeroticism? Men expressing their feelings? Men crying? Men kissing each other hello in the European style? Any of these could be considered 'faggy' and none of them actually prove anything.

There is a truism and if you stick around here you'll see it from me many times (since people never seem to take it to heart). It says that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. What this means is that if you want to convince me that a cabal of the world's most powerful men and women are attempting to stage a global coup and unite the world under some vague New World Order, you're going to need evidence. You need hard facts that can be independently verified. Unsourced quotes don't cut it. Lists of names with no source don't cut it. In fact, anything without an independently verifiable source does not cut it in any way, shape or form.

As a point of interest, where did you get all of your information? Given that you've stated you uncovered this whole thing while researching on the internet, I'm assuming it came from other websites? Did any of them provide sources for any of this?

I only ask because, y'know, you're quick to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you of being a sheeple (cute, that.) It would be sort of embarrassing for you if, after that, it turned out that you'd simply begun mindlessly spouting a bunch of information given to you by others without bothering to double-check any of it for yourself.
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