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Old 08-05-2007, 02:54 PM   #93 (permalink)
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ok so first off, it is not my problem how you read the tone of my posts, pan.
project whatever you like onto me: it is not my concern.


secondly, what this thread outlines is a legitimation crisis that is wending its way through this micropopulation. it doesnt seem to me that it'd take a whole lot of pushing to generate real problems for the existing oligarchy, particularly at the level of its claims to anything like representativeness. so it seems maybe a good time to start generating and launching onto the net ideological statements--critiques, programs, suggestions--make spaces for debate that are bigger than this one---because in a situation like this one, ideological positions are the problem--the real problem--and the paralysis of the major organizations (and relative insignificance of others) is but a reflection of that. this is not necessarily a time to work within existing organizations, then--this may well be a good time to work toward generating more radical ideological options, thinking about different types of perspectives on what is happening around us and launching them in the interest of starting chatter then dialogue then conversation.

why not? what have you got to loose?
the current configuration certainly is no longer worth a shit, if it ever really was worth even that much.

it could be that the entire ideological spectrum is locked inside a logic (start with neoliberalism and move from there) that is absolutely played out, even on its own terms---and it may also be the case that attempting to pretend otherwise may lead folk down the rabbithole that pan finds himself spinning his way into, into some sad twilight world in which ulta-right wing identity politics speaks to you because nothing else quite makes sense, either in principle or via actions. maybe all that is required is that you square up and face the obvious--the discourse you use to fashion your political identity is no longer functional at all--and then begin the onerous and difficult task of actually thinking for yourself. and if i did not assume that folk were stumbling toward this (or had worked out ways to do it already), i wouldnt bother saying this here.

perhaps debates that require one to choose between these non-entity options that are republican and democrat get nowhere because there is nowhere left to go with them--all that holds this order together ideologically is inertia and so long as we play along, we are elements of that inertia.

you wont know unless you try something.
and this is a tiny island--why limit what you try to here?
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