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host · 08-03-2007, 04:18 PM

The democrats in the view of samcol, are far to the left, and in the view of willravel, almost no democrats are as far to the left as Dennis Kucinich is. There are 100 senators, 50 of who are measured to be voting the progressive choice on yes or no votes, 70 percent of the time. 45 republicans have scores under 17.

The scores haven't changed from when republicans determined what bills would be considered by the senate.

Most voters are dissatisfied with the congress, but are satisfied with their own congressman and senators. The current "crop" of senators are serving because they received enough votes to prevail in their respective state elections,

Their voting records indicate that there is "no middle" for third parties to draw significant membership from. Neither samcol, nor will, nor pan, is coming from politically, a POV that is near "the other side"..... 17 pointers vs. 70 pointers, by a progressive voting analysis....so where would your new constituency, be drawn from, in any seriously large numbers?

Can you consider that the reason that the alternative parties, with their attractive vote drawing candidates and platforms do not exist today, is because there is no "market" for them? Can anyone who is serious about this alternative political universe, outline where the voters for what you advocate, will predictably come from? If you can, list the states or districts within the states, the likely number of voters that will shift their votes, and if you cannot make such a prsentation, than what are you really talking about here, that can be taken seriously, much less persuasively. The division is what it is?

Do you really think that the states that field 32 senators with progressive voting scores under ten, or the 45 above 70, are really ripe for a "middle ground....which would have to, on a progressive voting scale, be in the low thirties.....have large numbers of voters for either pan's political sympathies, or for samcol's?

Why not just move to Maine, and vote republican?

08-03-2007, 04:18 PM	#61 (permalink)
host Banned	The democrats in the view of samcol, are far to the left, and in the view of willravel, almost no democrats are as far to the left as Dennis Kucinich is. There are 100 senators, 50 of who are measured to be voting the progressive choice on yes or no votes, 70 percent of the time. 45 republicans have scores under 17. The scores haven't changed from when republicans determined what bills would be considered by the senate. Most voters are dissatisfied with the congress, but are satisfied with their own congressman and senators. The current "crop" of senators are serving because they received enough votes to prevail in their respective state elections, Their voting records indicate that there is "no middle" for third parties to draw significant membership from. Neither samcol, nor will, nor pan, is coming from politically, a POV that is near "the other side"..... 17 pointers vs. 70 pointers, by a progressive voting analysis....so where would your new constituency, be drawn from, in any seriously large numbers? Can you consider that the reason that the alternative parties, with their attractive vote drawing candidates and platforms do not exist today, is because there is no "market" for them? Can anyone who is serious about this alternative political universe, outline where the voters for what you advocate, will predictably come from? If you can, list the states or districts within the states, the likely number of voters that will shift their votes, and if you cannot make such a prsentation, than what are you really talking about here, that can be taken seriously, much less persuasively. The division is what it is? Do you really think that the states that field 32 senators with progressive voting scores under ten, or the 45 above 70, are really ripe for a "middle ground....which would have to, on a progressive voting scale, be in the low thirties.....have large numbers of voters for either pan's political sympathies, or for samcol's? Why not just move to Maine, and vote republican?