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The_Jazz · 07-27-2007, 10:35 AM

Pan, I think that the answer to your final question is that we don't all agree on how best to fix the problems or the priority in which to fix them. For some, agreeing that a particular problem even exists is an insurmountable problem.

Will and I disagree that third parties are viable options. He has his opinion, and I have mine. Neither of us (will forgive me for putting words in your mouth) agrees with you that illegal immigration is as important as you think it is. So we have one guy screaming from the rooftops that illegal immigration is one of the most important problems facing the country and two guys agreeing that there are more important problems to face first but not on how to do so.

Personally, I agree that the Democratic Party has some major problems, some of them specific to individuals and some systemic. I think that Hillary as The Candidate would devastate the party for years to come; a friend told me earlier this week that I'm a moron for thinking so. He and I agree on most other policy issues, but this one is a big divider for us.

Pan, my personal favorite for President is unelectable (Bill Richardson). There are 2 people in my personal life that I think would make much better Presidents than any current candidate, but neither of them would ever consider politics.

I think that the answer to most of your questions is that we need someone like Washington, Jackson or Eisenhower to run for President, someone who is virtually drafted into the job. I don't know of anyone that could have possibly done that, although Colin Powell pre-2000 might have managed it. As it stands now, he still bears the stink of his complicity with the Bush administration. Every movement needs a leader, so I challenge you, pan6467, who should lead us? What person is going to have be able to set the priorities, find the answers and have the political capital to solve the problems?

07-27-2007, 10:35 AM	#15 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Pan, I think that the answer to your final question is that we don't all agree on how best to fix the problems or the priority in which to fix them. For some, agreeing that a particular problem even exists is an insurmountable problem. Will and I disagree that third parties are viable options. He has his opinion, and I have mine. Neither of us (will forgive me for putting words in your mouth) agrees with you that illegal immigration is as important as you think it is. So we have one guy screaming from the rooftops that illegal immigration is one of the most important problems facing the country and two guys agreeing that there are more important problems to face first but not on how to do so. Personally, I agree that the Democratic Party has some major problems, some of them specific to individuals and some systemic. I think that Hillary as The Candidate would devastate the party for years to come; a friend told me earlier this week that I'm a moron for thinking so. He and I agree on most other policy issues, but this one is a big divider for us. Pan, my personal favorite for President is unelectable (Bill Richardson). There are 2 people in my personal life that I think would make much better Presidents than any current candidate, but neither of them would ever consider politics. I think that the answer to most of your questions is that we need someone like Washington, Jackson or Eisenhower to run for President, someone who is virtually drafted into the job. I don't know of anyone that could have possibly done that, although Colin Powell pre-2000 might have managed it. As it stands now, he still bears the stink of his complicity with the Bush administration. Every movement needs a leader, so I challenge you, pan6467, who should lead us? What person is going to have be able to set the priorities, find the answers and have the political capital to solve the problems? __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo