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Old 07-22-2007, 02:17 PM   #34 (permalink)
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First of all, I find your writing to be close to unintelligible. Not that I am making an effort to insult in anyway...

No, you are absolutely right. I do not have a solution. Geez, how undeserving I am then, of having an opinion on world affairs. I love that argument: you don't have a solution to the world's problems therefore you cannot have an opinion on them. Bullshit. I'm not sure why you chose me to unload your snideness on this evening, but I really wish you hadn't because I have other things planned for this evening.

But I will say this, what is your solution? We leave? What then? Please lay down your 10-step troop removal and political extrication plan for us all to examine and nitpick.

I believe the truth is, even if we were to pick up and leave by July 31st, there is no such a thing as "walking away." There seems to be this delusion that we actually can "go back" to the way things were before the war. As if it's nothing but a political nuisance. Something that just needs to be swatted away. I don't believe, politically or practically, spiritually or morally, that there is a way of walking out of this war. And it has a lot more to do with than just our troops. It has to do with Americans fucking standing up and realizing that the actions of America (and its inactions) in the world are theirs to own. Not abstract theories to bat around over apres-dinner coffee and amaretto. And you know who needs to own it most keenly? All of those people who were so gung-ho to go in there in the first place. It makes me sick to see how these assholes have had their fill of war and destruction and now think it's time to come home.

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But Iraq is actually another country and not our own, and the people over there are people too, who can just maybe think and come up with their own solutions. Never mind that the region has more history than the states, a longer past, yes... they must be savages because they have a mindset that allows them with utter conviction to die for something they believe in, I mean because they are unbelievably happy that there is another country dictating what beliefs they should abide be. Because of course those beliefs must be SO much better for everyone.
I don't know why the fuck you are directing this bullshit at me.

Sorry, but I'm in a mood and this claptrap pisses me off.

Oh, and one more thing, don't bother telling me about "American lives." I get so fucking tired of that horsehit, too. Wherever we go the amount of lives lost by American troops is dwarfed by the deaths of the people we go to "help." If you open your eyes real wide and think of all the senseless death that has been brought to Iraq since our invasion and then rid your mind of the concept and American and Iraqi, then perchance you can understand where I am coming from and absorb the magnitude of our responsibility there.

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Well, here it is the next morning and I am reading this, and I would like to apologize for my tone and, possibly, for my use of profanity (if that offends anyone), but I do not apologize for the sentiment.

I don't believe leaving is anymore of a plan than staying. And a lot hangs in the balance here. And it terrifies me that the choices will be made as a matter of US partisan politics, spite and national selfishness and not with the mind of doing what is best for the Iraqis.

Plus, if we leave, we will forget. Yes, we will. Just like Afghanistan. We will forget. I'm not saying that's a reason to stay, just that it's the truth, and the very cynical part of me says that many people want us to leave so they can forget. Not necessarily anyone here, but other people I've talked to on this subject out in real time-land.
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