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Originally Posted by filtherton
Why? What makes you think that it is necessarily always possible to shut a kid up in a reasonable way? It's not like the kid was yelling or even talking loudly, as far as we can tell at this point.
Is it just kids that should shut up, or would you kick off an adult for refusing to stop talking too?
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Adults understand what they're doing and how annoying it is. They should be kicked off once the plane is at cruising altitude.
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Originally Posted by JustJess
Do I want a screaming kid on my flight? Of course not. Neither does the parent, I'm sure. If they could get the kid to shut up, I'm sure they would. Are they an incompetent parent? Possibly, yeah. But the guy in seat 4C with too much cologne on who's making the whole plane smell is a jerk too. So is the idiot talking to someone sitting 5 seats away.
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Ban them from the flight, too. People who feel entitled to conveniences and luxuries not afforded to others should not be catered to. If I fly, I shower right before I leave and use a third of the amount of cologne I usually do, if any. I don't talk to other passengers other than a quick, "excuse me" as I pass and maybe a "good morning" when I sit down next to them.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
I do try to keep my kid from being disruptive, and if it is reasonable to do so i tend to remove my kid from the area if she can't chill out. That being said, if you're the type who can't handle being in the same area as a whiny kid, then you and the whiny kid have a lot in common. The kid has a valid excuse for acting like a baby, what's yours?
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If you remove your kid from the are when she's acting up, then you're doing what you should as a parent. If a parent brings a child into a confined space, they had better teach the child to act appropriately. If the child isn't old enough to understand consideration for others, the parents shouldn't bring him into a confined space for hours with no way out. Having and raising a child is a responsibility, not a right.
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Originally Posted by xepherys
I don't think I've EVER flown and had a flight that didn't have some annoying aspect to it. But it's public friggin' transportation. One doesn't generally expect more in a bus or a subway.
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No, it isn't public transportation. I pay a private company that answers only to its stockholders and customers to get me from one place to another on a privately owned vehicle. Buses and subways are subsidized to minimize costs for convenience of use and do not carry the responsibility of providing an environment that encourages repeat business. An airline that allows any sort of unpleasant environment to exist without any attempt to rectify the situation will lose customers, failing to maximize profits for its stockholders. American Airlines provided me with terrible customer service pre-flight, a rude flight attendant, allowed a man who was so drunk he could barely stand onto the flight, and absolutely no attempt to compensate me for time and money lost, not even an apology; I refuse to do business with AA because of it.
If I fly with another airline and they provide an unpleasant environment by delaying my flight and calling me with an incorrect flight time that causes me to miss my rescheduled flight, refusing to ask parents to calm loud children, allowing someone two drinks away from a coma to board and sit behind me, employing rude flight attendants who make sarcastic remarks instead of even simply apologizing for the inconvenience of sitting in a seat with a broken back, no A/C in 110° heat, a broken TV to not watch during the flight, and refusing to admit they did anything wrong, they're not getting my business, either.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
So what if they get indignant? People are assholes, it isn't just parents. It seems like maybe you had a bad experience or two and then just decided that all parents are unreasonable assholes and that all children are incapable of behaving.
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I wouldn't say all of them, but at least half of people shouldn't be trusted with raising pets, never mind children.
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Originally Posted by xepherys
1) The plane had not even taken off yet. Why are some people making it sound as if they had been enduring the child's jabbering for ages?
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Because the flight had been delayed for 11 hours and they had been waiting in the airport with her.
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Originally Posted by pig
i don't know cyn - that would be an interesting precedent. what i'm wondering is whether an airline could make $$$ having a segregated 'families' section on their flights. kind of like first class - maybe still coach seats, but a little divider to separate them out and muffle the sounds.
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I'd pay more for either a separate area for people with kids or for a flight with a guarantee of no disruptive passengers.