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Old 07-19-2007, 04:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
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well, to add to that skepticism about the HHO gas (it violates the laws of thermodynamics, etc. you don't get jack shit for free), i just thought i'd do a quick search of the literature on this. frankly, if he had this thing worked out, he'd have published it. sure, maybe he'd have worked out the ip issues first, but he would have published it. someone would have forced him to publish it.

it would have been in either science or nature. it's not. it's not in the international journal of hydrogen energy, or is it in journal of power sources.

i know many people who work in this field. if the answer were that simple, a lot of people would be out of jobs. the department of energy would be on this shit like crazy. it would be causing massive waves inside the energy community. it's not. the MAN isn't going to keep professors from watching the news and going ape shit over something like this. people who like to solve problems aren't going to keep banging their heads against the hydrogen issue to keep in line with a government or haliburtun conspiracy. they're going to work on nuclear waste destruction and mitigation, or world hunger, or making better listerine breath tape or something. they wouldn't reinvent the wheel for the fun of it.

people are looking at electrolysis for hydrogen production, as well as thermolysis, pyrolysis, and a lot of other olyses. some of them might glean results, but you need an original energy source. you can't just split water for free, then take the hydrogen gas or some meta-stable intermediate (and that would be tough...water is pretty stable. that's why it's everywhere. to keep it in a meta-stable intermediate form of HHO (whatever that means) versus H2O would be, well....tricky. as soon as it saw a contacting nucleation surface, it would be water)

that's the key part of this puzzle. if you go hydrogen, you've got to produce it, store it, ship it, release it to work energy, and regenerate it and/or the storage media.

if you go batteries, you have to create the voltage, store it, release it, and regenerate your storage media. you've got ultracapacitors, and hydride materials, and all sorts of stuff people are working on.

you've got constraints. x amount of energy in x size storage container. x temperature ranges, x pressure ranges, x number of cycles, x $ to create, x amount of scale-up availability. you've got to make it accessible, you have to have a way to put it in your house, your car, your whatever. you've got to get it out as useable energy, and you have be able to cycle that within constraints. it's a big, hairly ugly ass interesting problem.

socially, the implications will be interesting. the u.s. is actually not the biggest show, in terms of energy growth demands over the next 20-50 years. think china. think india. we dominate culturally, but how long will that last? what does the concept of a nation mean, versus the concept of the corporation? who will pick what standards we have to adapt to, or will they simply fall into place based on what we have? what happens with world population? the earth is about 25,000 miles in diameter, and people are still fucking. it's all very interesting, but we will adapt, or the earth will adapt, or both. something will happen. the best we can do is work on it. that or give up. period.
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