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Originally Posted by powerclown
Territorial war...get off my land or I keel you.
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You can't necessarily fix territoriality in some people, so it CAN'T be that simple for the sake of trying to find a solution. I hope that's clear.
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Originally Posted by powerclown
Are we talking about political motivations for war, or biological/anthropological/psychological?
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Anything we can fix or work with. You can't work with 'human nature'. You can work with economic instability (Lebanon has to rely on Hezballah because they're still coming back form a civil war). You can work with kidnapping (Hezbollah kidnapping a few Israeli soldiers in order to barter a trade). You can work with over reaction (Israel invading, killing thousands and displacing millions in the name of a few kidnapped soldiers). All of those things can be addressed individually on their particular merits. You can't address territoriality.
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Originally Posted by powerclown
Of course its not only humans we humans wage war against. Haven't we sent something like 200 species of animal into the dustbin of history? Is there any animal as filled with bloodlust and sadism as man? I don't celebrate the barbarity inherent in our species, but I don't deny it either. Whats the point in denying it?
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We've probably killed off a lot more than that. In turn, other species have wiped out other species, too. When a predator can reproduce too quickly for the food supply to keep up, that food supply can be exhausted. If you have too many timber-wolves in an area who feed primarily on rabbits, they can eat all of the rabbits. Likewise, when humans have moved into an area and ingested all that there is to ingest, that's a part of the food cycle. We have ways of picking up an moving that wolves don't have access to, though, so it's a bit different. To a certain degree, I'm willing to call that natural selection. As far as barbarity, many species crossing all kingdoms could be considered barbaric. Have you seen how dolphins behave when they are in an area with low food? They war. Packs of dogs war. Ants and termites war. That doesn't excuse it or make it a part of anyone or anything's 'nature', mind you, but it's not a strictly human behavior.
The point in denying it, as it were, is progress. I hope that the future of mankind leads towards peace, understanding, and mutuality. We work better as a team instead of rivals.
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
I know fundamentalist Christians who feel that faggots should be killed. So what? There are fundamentalist islamics who do want to war? Yes? Or No? Abu Sayaaf for 2 maybe 3 decades waging war in Mindanao Philippines.
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But why is the war being waged? He want's Islamic independence and sovereignty from the basically Christian Philippines. Do you think he just picked up a bomb in the early 90s and started bombing? Or do you think there was an attempt at a peaceful solution before then? Clearly, he's a violent, and hurtful murderer, and I'd never excuse any of his violent acts, but the situation isn't as black and white as "he hates, therefore he wages war".
And why do those fundy bigots want faggots killed? It's not that "they hate, therefore they wage violence." It starts with discomfort, then when combined with organization with other bigots becomes groupthink. This can also be a result of the depression from repressing homosexuality, after all several studies have suggested that homophobic people can be repressed homosexuals.
http://web.archive.org/web/200402020.../homophob.html