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So, basically you are telling me you want to control the debate. You want people to debate only by your beliefs, so that in doing so perhaps you can control the outcome.

I have much Psychology training and I am very well read in the field. (Have to be because I am in the business also.) I may not have a doctorate or Masters, but I know people and I am a good study and have studied human nature and know it exists.

I have no more proof at what I say than you do. You can present your argument, but none of what you say truly can disprove human nature/emotions/individual free will.

The movie analogy stated 100 RANDOM people..... in order to be random you cannot know anything about them before they go in other than how they look. But you imply that you would want backgrounds and yada yada.... that takes away some of the randomness though.

It would make for a good study. Take 100 pure randoms and make predictions just based on look, and then take 100 people whom you have background knowledge of and make the same predictions.... Of course knowing the backgrounds, you'd know who would probably like Annie Hall and who probably wouldn't, but that would be about it. I never stated fact, I said chances are.

Sorry Will, I like you, respect you and yes, I also call you friend. But I am also in the field and I could not disagree more on the subject.

Let's say someone is raised in a certain religion, everyone they know is of that religion, how does that person decide to take a different religion?

As for bringing philosophy and this into politics, you are the one who did so. You stated what you wanted in the thread and after I had invested my time in this thread, I felt I should be able to point out, I wholeheartedly disagree with the parameters you are wanting.

What exactly are you wanting from this thread? Are you asking how can we have peace? Are you asking what people think and feel on the subject or are you wanting solutions only?

If you want solutions only, that everyone can agree upon, you will never get them, no matter how you try to set the parameters of the debate.

BTW, just because "Psychology and Psychiatry" are "sciences" does not mean they are in any way shape or form concrete sciences, with concrete answers. To believe so is foolish and will eventually hurt you.

And yes, if you wish to continue this we can go to Tilted Philosophy..... however, in this thread obviously my answers and debate are not welcomed because they do not meet the parameters you have decided to set already deeply into the debate.... so I will leave this thread, for you to have your controlled debate.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"