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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
no, don't make this about me. why wouldn't YOU describe it as a victory?
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Victory would have been allowing Saddam to be overthrown by Iraqis hungry for change and with the will to implement it. The second we invaded, there were no victories to be had. We've seen this in revolution after revolution against dictators through history. They emerge stronger when the people do it instead of an outside source.
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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
impeachment talk is complete nonsense, on the same level as advocating immediate withdrawal.
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Impeachment talk is nonsense, eh? Well if you can explain why, instead of pretending like we all know what's going on in your head, maybe there could be discussion. Impeachment talk being considered nonsense is nonsense until you do.