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roachboy · 07-15-2007, 11:34 AM

i'm more or less with smethod on this one.

this is a wreck of a situation.
obviously, we can all thank cowboy george and his band of idiot neo-cons for this huge steaming bucket of shit--but that only goes so far. fact is that the americans have managed to find themselves in the kind of factional fighting the threat of which explained the characteristics of saddam hussein's regime in the first place--which (i remind folks) the americans thought just hunky dory until they didnt any more. so not only was there no justification for the war...that on its own would have been fuck up enough---but KNOWING that behind saddam hussein's regime lay a patchwork of groups the nature of which was shaped fundamentally by british colonial domination, which relied on playing groups off each other in order to dominate the whole----the lack of a coherent plan on the part of the bush people is an example of such a mind-boggling level of incompetence that it really is hard to imagine.

even now it is hard to imagine.

i still think that every last person who approved of this disaster at any point should resign. every last one of them. if you are an elected official and you approved of this fuckwit non-plan, then you are obviously not competent to hold office. period. it does not matter which conservative party you belong to. you are incompetent because you allowed this incompetence to manifest itself in 3-d. but that does not get anywhere in terms of addressing what appears to be happening in real time as a result of this epic incompetence.

the bush people have no way out. they lack imagination on the one hand and this is compounded by the inability to admit errors much less learn from them. the current bush-"strategy" is self-evidently worthless. simple withdrawal is not an alternative at this point. it has seemed clear to me for a long time that the problems are: (a) the americans are a faction amongst factions and are in no position to do much of anything beyond defending themselves; (b) that the americans are an invading force means that they are seen as an invading force and cannot escape from that. so (c) the only way out of this mess in anything like the shorter run seems to me to internationalize it. that means getting the international community to bail the americans out of this catastrophic mess that they have made by setting up different multinational political structures that'll enable the americans to roll out of the conflict altogether. egg on the face and all. for cowboy george, this would be a complete humiliation, so cowboy george and his foul band of reactionaries are a primary obstacle to anything remotely like a coherent way of addressing iraq.

simple withdrawal seems like a pipedream, the imagination-less inversion of bush policies. there needs to be a fucking plan. pulling out straight away is NOT a plan--it is NOT BETTER and in many ways NO DIFFERENT from the disastrous policies of bushworld.

but i do think the americans need to get out. i just dont think it rational to imagine that getting-out can be a simple matter of picking up "our toys" and going home. the fiasco that would follow that would be the american's fault and as has been said before, no series of mea culpas, no matter how long, would mean shit in the face of it. but who knows, maybe if the "news" network cameras were pointed another way and the american press decided that the catastrophe in iraq was of a magnitude that it posed a real threat to the legitimacy of the american system (---as it does---) so that ignoring it made sense, perhaps we'd be treated to the lovely spectacle of the iraqi people choking in relative silence and american blithely getting on with their lives as consumers. i expect the shit would hit the fan politically for that sooner or later, but maybe most people wont notice. too busy watching sitcoms or anything else that enables them to look another way, any other way.

a fuck up like a george w bush fuck up is not so easy to get rid of.

07-15-2007, 11:34 AM	#15 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	i'm more or less with smethod on this one. this is a wreck of a situation. obviously, we can all thank cowboy george and his band of idiot neo-cons for this huge steaming bucket of shit--but that only goes so far. fact is that the americans have managed to find themselves in the kind of factional fighting the threat of which explained the characteristics of saddam hussein's regime in the first place--which (i remind folks) the americans thought just hunky dory until they didnt any more. so not only was there no justification for the war...that on its own would have been fuck up enough---but KNOWING that behind saddam hussein's regime lay a patchwork of groups the nature of which was shaped fundamentally by british colonial domination, which relied on playing groups off each other in order to dominate the whole----the lack of a coherent plan on the part of the bush people is an example of such a mind-boggling level of incompetence that it really is hard to imagine. even now it is hard to imagine. i still think that every last person who approved of this disaster at any point should resign. every last one of them. if you are an elected official and you approved of this fuckwit non-plan, then you are obviously not competent to hold office. period. it does not matter which conservative party you belong to. you are incompetent because you allowed this incompetence to manifest itself in 3-d. but that does not get anywhere in terms of addressing what appears to be happening in real time as a result of this epic incompetence. the bush people have no way out. they lack imagination on the one hand and this is compounded by the inability to admit errors much less learn from them. the current bush-"strategy" is self-evidently worthless. simple withdrawal is not an alternative at this point. it has seemed clear to me for a long time that the problems are: (a) the americans are a faction amongst factions and are in no position to do much of anything beyond defending themselves; (b) that the americans are an invading force means that they are seen as an invading force and cannot escape from that. so (c) the only way out of this mess in anything like the shorter run seems to me to internationalize it. that means getting the international community to bail the americans out of this catastrophic mess that they have made by setting up different multinational political structures that'll enable the americans to roll out of the conflict altogether. egg on the face and all. for cowboy george, this would be a complete humiliation, so cowboy george and his foul band of reactionaries are a primary obstacle to anything remotely like a coherent way of addressing iraq. simple withdrawal seems like a pipedream, the imagination-less inversion of bush policies. there needs to be a fucking plan. pulling out straight away is NOT a plan--it is NOT BETTER and in many ways NO DIFFERENT from the disastrous policies of bushworld. but i do think the americans need to get out. i just dont think it rational to imagine that getting-out can be a simple matter of picking up "our toys" and going home. the fiasco that would follow that would be the american's fault and as has been said before, no series of mea culpas, no matter how long, would mean shit in the face of it. but who knows, maybe if the "news" network cameras were pointed another way and the american press decided that the catastrophe in iraq was of a magnitude that it posed a real threat to the legitimacy of the american system (---as it does---) so that ignoring it made sense, perhaps we'd be treated to the lovely spectacle of the iraqi people choking in relative silence and american blithely getting on with their lives as consumers. i expect the shit would hit the fan politically for that sooner or later, but maybe most people wont notice. too busy watching sitcoms or anything else that enables them to look another way, any other way. a fuck up like a george w bush fuck up is not so easy to get rid of. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite