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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
You're wrong again. It was and is a forced EPA number. The number they are giving you is calculated by the EPA test, just like it was before. The only difference is that there's now a better test.
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Nowhere did I say that it wasn't forced, so please stop saying I'm wrong. What I've been saying and what has been ignored is that Honda used the mistake as an opportunity to advertise. They didn't just say, "EPA mileage of 40/50" they gave us great statements about how the fact that their car gets 50 mpg means that the car is better for the environment. That's what I take issue with. They didn't just show the MPG, they based an advertising strategy on it. That was the unethical action. It wasn't that they showed the numbers, as that's their legal obligation, but nowhere does it say they are obligated to say their car is better for the environment because of the erroneous numbers.
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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
Their cars DO use less gas. It's just not as much as the original test showed. Obviously it is a selling point, but the carmaker can only show you the results based on the EPA test. It's a very good reason why they tell you your milage may vary.
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A 1994 Geo Metro could wipe the floor with this 'clean' hybrid. If I drive slow enough in my 1995 Eclipse Turbo, I can get pretty close to the numbers people are reporting. They DON'T use less gas. That's the problem. The 2007 DX boasts 30/40 numbers which are looking more and more like the numbers to expect from the hybrid.
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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
I will point out that telling a customer that the MPG shown on a car sticker is a federal crime, even if it is techically true. Again, hard to blame any dealer or carmaker for that one.
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Do you mean to say that pointing out the numbers are wrong is a federal crime? Again, it boils down to the conclusions they start spouting from the mpg. They don't just say "40/50", they say, "this car will save you money" or "this car is better for the environment", thus USING the incorrect information to draw incorrect conclusions; conclusions that the EPA does not require that dealers provide.