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Old 07-10-2007, 12:11 PM   #70 (permalink)
tecoyah
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
I acknowledged the fact that the Administration is being evasive. I acknowledged my belief that most likely Rove and Chaney where involved in the firings. I just don't think the law was broken, and that this issue is political gamesmanship. Given the games being played, I don't blame the Administration for responding in kind.

I have said the above in many ways, many times, that would be the reason you are not surprised.

It would seem then, that the issue is not one of "what" they are doing but more of one of acceptable behavior. While you do seem to understand what is being done, you do not find it objectionable and in fact champion it in some way....I suppose I simply expect more from the leaders of the United States.


Yes. You and others never respond directly to the question of what you would do under the same circumstance. I think it would be foolish to fall into a perjury trap given what happened to Libby. If your memory is not 100% correct on an issue - you have to say you don't recall when faced with a hostile Congressional committee or special prosecutor. If you guys don't understand the risks involved by now, I will never be able to explain it. So, let's just leave it at that.

I would hope,put in a position of such power I would not have acted in a way that required me to Lie, as that indicates I have not only done something wrong but am aware of the fact and wish to hide it. Not being in such a position I cannot honestly say what I would do....but then again,I am not leading a country, now am I?




I will have to remember that one - "Churchillian hyperbole". If my interest in history was my biggest flaw, I can live with it. If my biggest fault is trying to compare current events to historical events, I am happy to practice on TFP'ers. Let it be known that I will endeavor, one day...I will be so good at it that people will remember and realize that...let's just say that: "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Sir Winston Churchill.



I wish! To the contrary, I have donated money to TFP a couple of times. Not to mention lost productivity. There has been some benefit to exchanges with you and others, just not monetary up to this point.



You like math, right? Here is one: Are the odds greater that you would be the subject of an illegal wiretap, or winning your state lottery...thirty times...on thirty consecutive days...playing the same numbers?




Collecting data is one thing. Reviewing the data is another. No one is going to waste their life, watching you live yours for no reason.



I don't think you understand my position. I know that the Bush administration authorized this surveillance program. I know that innocent American may be subject to having their phone calls monitored. I, however, see the complexities in this issue.

I also know what I would do if I were President. I don't know what you would do.

So, let's say you are writing a book and doing research on terrorists. Let's say you gain the confidence of a known terrorist and he tells you about specific plans to kill Americans. Let's say as a result of the surveillance program, the government was listening to your calls, and call you in for questioning. You have a right to claim the information obtained was done so without a warrant and not cooperate and take legal action. Would you? Would you cooperate? Why or why not?
I would most likely cooperate, as it is the right thing to do in my opinion. Now...lets say you are the mayor of Springfield, KY and have decided to fire a couple people because they are looking into the dealings of your buddy who ownes a golf course. Though you ended the problem for your friend the governor finds out you may have broken the law by firing these guys,and sends the DA to look into you.
Rather than admit you fired the guys to protect your pal, you tell the DA they were incompetent and justly fired for one thing or another. Unfortunatley for you, the state legislature decides to hold hearings to find out who is telling the truth, and you decide to "forget" what happened, as it was last year some time.

Are you in any way credible? and do you deserve to be mayor?
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