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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
OK, take a deep breath, will, because you're not going to like this.
Ready?
You're wrong. Absolutely, completely and utterly wrong.
At least about Honda.
Honda did not come up with the methodology for calculating the MPG for vehicles. That is and always has been the baliwick of the EPA. If you don't like it, complain about them, not Honda. The current testing methodologies also are an EPA creation.
The original testing standards were in place for decades until they changed a few years ago. That's why most cars took a noticable drop in MPG. The test itself was created artificially high milage, but all automakers had to use the same test to calculate the averages.
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I'm not suggesting that Honda is the EPA. I'm saying they almost certainly knew that the Hybrid was likely to get closer to 35 miles of average driving per gallon of gas. They used the EPAs blunder to their advantage. That's the unethical part of this. That's what I have a problem with. OBVIOUSLY the EPA screwed up big time. They should be improving whatever methodology failed them in this. The thing is, the EPA doesn't stand to gain from the error (assuming it wasn't the result of bribery or something, of which there is no evidence). Honda does stand to benefit from the mistake.
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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
It's not Honda's fault if the NATIONAL STANDARD is calculated in a faulty way, especially if all other cars are, by law, using the same standard. You're right in that salesmen (or really marketers) have much to do with the problem. The government required that all cars be tested using the same criteria and that those results be posted in every new car for sale. Have a problem with the government beaurocrats who got it wrong, not the carmakers just following the law.
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I don't see any reason to blame Honda for the initial mistake, of course. It was their decision to not correct the mistake and take advantage of it.
Again, the EPA screwed up. Honda used that to their advantage to misinform.