And if that PROCESS is in fact based exclusively on the "current medical dogma", which it is, and those of us who are educated about natural birth question all of that DOGMA, that is where the two sides will continually be butting heads.
Bullshit Jenny......Its time your message was clarified. Very few of us who are "educated" in the benefits of natural childbirth consider the added benefits of medical backup as some vast conspiracy to remove a womans right to birth as she sees fit. You have taken the beauty of childbirth to an ugly extreme, and in my opinion should be ashamed of yourself for degrading the moderatemovement by acting as some fanatical loon.
Henci Goer, the author of Obtetric Myths VS. Research Realities is our (and by our I do not mean Freebirth, but overall Natural birth) premiere writer on this subject, and she wrote a great piece in 2002 titled
The Assault on normal birth, the OB Misinformation Campaign.
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It is these types of arguments, lined up with personal experience (no, momma, you cannot have a VBAC) that is causing some women to say....
Then I will just have to do it myself.
And, as you well know, they are usually free to do so. Cherry picking the extreme cases to bolster your opinion is a very weak position to fight from, as there are equally extreme cases that your opponents refuse to post here if only to seem somewhat more stable in the debate process.
USA Today did a good piece titled
Battle lines drawn over C-sections, where the claim was made by a doctor, that no one is willing to provide the middle ground so called "danger zone" in childbirth, and because of it parents are increasingly feeling the need to go it alone.
Agreed, the middle ground is fading. Pisser is you're extreme diatribe is one of the reasons so many women find a midwife scarce....or afraid to practice.
I have a friend up in Idaho, five kids, she had her first in hospital, section for CPD, then her next three at home unassisted. Her first babe was a 7 pounder, and her next three boys were all over ten pounds. With her fifth, she was over 35 and figured she should prob go get some prenatal care and have the babe in the hospital because she was high risk as an older mom.
It is unlikely she is your friend, but I am sure you have read about her. It's easy enough to pull a story off the internet and claim it as a personal experience, but until you can make yourself respected on this board, do not expect ANYONE to accept your word as genuine. This again, is not an attack, but rather a statement of reality.
Her doc told her that because of her CPD - (too small pelvis) and section scar that she would have to have another section. It did not matter that she had given birth to three additional ten pound boys just fine. She told me that the doctors extreme stance made the decision for her.
She had her fifth baby at home alone, just fine.
In the UK, Australia, Canada, as well as here in the US, this is in fact the main reason moms are choosing freebirth right now. At least from surfing the chat rooms, talking to women, and watching things very, very closely, this is the sense I have of it.
And IF the Medicos are using scare tactics around the rupture issue, as outlined in Ms. Goers article, to freak the public and give docs and hospitals justification for not doing VBAC's. Well you can see where this train wreck is heading. Right into the courts. And if in American Politics, the people with the most money and the most "scientific" research win......well you can see where that leaves a few families who are on the fringe and have absolutely NO RESEARCH to back us up beyond our own anecdotal evidence. Claiming JOY during birth didn't buy me five cents worth of credibility on this site, and trying to hold it up against a mountain or medical research (even if they interpret it funny) and money and credentials....it is David and Goliath all over again.
And if as she claimed in the article, it is in fact the artificial stimulants that are tied to the recent increase in ruptures, well, she says it far better than I ever could:
I really suggest you read the whole thing.
It truly provides a proper backdrop to this whole discussion.
Jenny