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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Why am I not surprised? No one in this administration appears to lie in your interpretation of the facts.
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I acknowledged the fact that the Administration is being evasive. I acknowledged my belief that most likely Rove and Chaney where involved in the firings. I just don't think the law was broken, and that this issue is political gamesmanship. Given the games being played, I don't blame the Administration for responding in kind.
I have said the above in many ways, many times, that would be the reason you are not surprised.
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So you attribute Gonzales's`not acknowledging reports of violations he received over the preceding days and months as memory loss....the Libby defense.
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Yes. You and others never respond directly to the question of what you would do under the same circumstance. I think it would be foolish to fall into a perjury trap given what happened to Libby. If your memory is not 100% correct on an issue - you have to say you don't recall when faced with a hostile Congressional committee or special prosecutor. If you guys don't understand the risks involved by now, I will never be able to explain it. So, let's just leave it at that.
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I guess that's better than the Bush defense...as least you didnt refer to Gonzales' false statements under oath in a Congressional hearing as "Churchillian hyperbole".
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I will have to remember that one - "Churchillian hyperbole". If my interest in history was my biggest flaw, I can live with it. If my biggest fault is trying to compare current events to historical events, I am happy to practice on TFP'ers. Let it be known that I will endeavor, one day...I will be so good at it that people will remember and realize that...let's just say that: "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Sir Winston Churchill.
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Originally Posted by host
I think it is appropriate to ask this now, ace....do you receive any compensation, in money or other goods, to post your opinions on this forum?
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I wish! To the contrary, I have donated money to TFP a couple of times. Not to mention lost productivity. There has been some benefit to exchanges with you and others, just not monetary up to this point.
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....Or are you just an unconcerned citizen because you "have nothing to hide"?
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You like math, right? Here is one: Are the odds greater that you would be the subject of an illegal wiretap, or winning your state lottery...thirty times...on thirty consecutive days...playing the same numbers?
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Do you see any problem cooperating if the DOJ told you that they were going to mount a closed cicuit video camera....with sound recording, in your living room, or above and behind where you sit at your computer?
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Collecting data is one thing. Reviewing the data is another. No one is going to waste their life, watching you live yours for no reason.
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Originally Posted by tecoyah
Ace is welcome to his opinion, as is everyone else. That he might decide to look the other way when all information points to something other than that opinion is...more of a reason to continue showing him the facts, rather than alienate him further with pointless accusation.
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I don't think you understand my position. I know that the Bush administration authorized this surveillance program. I know that innocent American may be subject to having their phone calls monitored. I, however, see the complexities in this issue.
I also know what I would do if I were President. I don't know what you would do.
So, let's say you are writing a book and doing research on terrorists. Let's say you gain the confidence of a known terrorist and he tells you about specific plans to kill Americans. Let's say as a result of the surveillance program, the government was listening to your calls, and call you in for questioning. You have a right to claim the information obtained was done so without a warrant and not cooperate and take legal action. Would you? Would you cooperate? Why or why not?