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Old 07-09-2007, 07:37 PM   #51 (permalink)
dksuddeth
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Originally Posted by ubertuber
I get that - I wasn't trying to nitpick on mistakes. I suppose what I'm getting at is that there is more to our government than what the Constitution says, though it does get trump status. Because the power to make laws is granted, and as Hamilton argued, the power to do things to carry those laws out is implied, there is a lot of stuff that has happened in the last 200 years that bears consideration.

Out of curiosity DK, are you of the opinion that Hamilton and the Federalists were already going too far? Of course, that's a whole other can of worms which could be a great thread, but your answer may help me understand your perspective.
As someone on here earlier said (I think it was here), Madison and his support for the 'sedition' laws was just the first of many examples of an overreaching federal government, not unlike exactly what Jefferson and the rest of the anti-federalists were afraid of.

Take a look at our history and you'll see example on top of example where the federal gov took more power where they weren't authorized, at least by the constitution. The years after the revolution were just the start. The civil war and the years after were a major power grab for the feds, in fact, the ONLY two good things that came out of the civil war happened to be the 13th and 14th amendments. It was a damn shame that the courts were still of the racist mindset and co-opted the one good thing to come out of the civil war and enact social engineering by judicial fiat. The FDR admin and the new deal tie with post civil war for the worst power grab by the feds.

It won't be much longer before states won't really need to elect legislative bodies anymore. Governers will be more like feudal lords than representatives of the people.
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