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xepherys · 07-09-2007, 08:20 AM

Alright Jenny, I give... what's your angle? It can't possibly be convincing the world that freebirthing is the one true path. If it is, you are a failing evangelic in need of some history lessons. When one preaches, rather than enlightens, it is generally met with disdain. I think, as has been said before, you need to start directly answering some questions if you actually would like to make any headway at all.

Apples to oranges? Yes, freebirthing is quite different (in many respects) than giving birth at a hospital. However, it is not an apples/oranges discussion. We are talking about two opposing beliefs that directly relate to each other, but you are not holding up your end of the debate... and understand that this IS a debate.

Let me see...

Freebirthing(good):

Orgasmic birth (undocumented by any important studies as far as I can tell)
Mother's control (a myth, since mother's have control in a medical environment as well)
No drugs (you can skip the drugs in a hospital as well)

Freebirthing (bad):
Greater chance of death or serious injury to mother OR child

Hospital birth (good):

sterile environment
educated nurses and doctors
option for C-section if complications develop
option for drugs administered if need be
immediate post-natal care if the child has a problem
immediate testing done to ensure baby's health

hospital (bad):

its expensive
uhm... it costs more money
you need to give them dollars?

I really can't see a comparative benefit to freebirthing. Frankly, the additional risk alone is not worth it. You complain of 200 years of medical establishment saying that mother's can't give birth safely at home. Hey, guess what? They can't, statistically speaking. In countries or regions where healthcare or something else prohibits medically-assisted birth, the infant mortality rate is significantly higher. Can you give me, the logically-minded person, statistics that show otherwise?

07-09-2007, 08:20 AM	#216 (permalink)
xepherys <3 TFP Location: 17TLH2445607250	Alright Jenny, I give... what's your angle? It can't possibly be convincing the world that freebirthing is the one true path. If it is, you are a failing evangelic in need of some history lessons. When one preaches, rather than enlightens, it is generally met with disdain. I think, as has been said before, you need to start directly answering some questions if you actually would like to make any headway at all. Apples to oranges? Yes, freebirthing is quite different (in many respects) than giving birth at a hospital. However, it is not an apples/oranges discussion. We are talking about two opposing beliefs that directly relate to each other, but you are not holding up your end of the debate... and understand that this IS a debate. Let me see... Freebirthing(good): Orgasmic birth (undocumented by any important studies as far as I can tell) Mother's control (a myth, since mother's have control in a medical environment as well) No drugs (you can skip the drugs in a hospital as well) Freebirthing (bad): Greater chance of death or serious injury to mother OR child Hospital birth (good): sterile environment educated nurses and doctors option for C-section if complications develop option for drugs administered if need be immediate post-natal care if the child has a problem immediate testing done to ensure baby's health hospital (bad): its expensive uhm... it costs more money you need to give them dollars? I really can't see a comparative benefit to freebirthing. Frankly, the additional risk alone is not worth it. You complain of 200 years of medical establishment saying that mother's can't give birth safely at home. Hey, guess what? They can't, statistically speaking. In countries or regions where healthcare or something else prohibits medically-assisted birth, the infant mortality rate is significantly higher. Can you give me, the logically-minded person, statistics that show otherwise? __________________ The prospect of achieving a peace agreement with the extremist group of MILF is almost impossible... -- Emmanuel Pinol, Governor of Cotobato My Homepage