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Originally Posted by powerclown
Who has the final authority on the matter? Because willravel and host say that Jonah Goldberg has no credibility means that his politics and the people who identify with them are irrelevant? What ever happened to the liberal memes of freedom of thought, open-mindedness, tolerance and empathy? They're ringing a bit hollow lately if you ask me. It's a subjective judgement call, a partisan political opinion, not facts. And lets not confuse quantity with quality.
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You were the one that linked articles back to 2003 and 2004. It's 2007. We have new information. Where can you find that information? In this case, it's all over this thread, a great volume of which is in the posts by host. You may not like the fact that someone you disagree with is right, but that hardly means we're not being open minded. We're disagreeing with you, and there's evidence to back up our side that was actually made after 2003 and 2004. I'm sorry if you don't understand liberalsim. I can explain it in another thread.
I don't think people understand this. You need to actually read host's posts. Read them. Just do it. Because if you don't, you're just going in circles. Host made it clear above that your 3 and 4 year old articles are not relevant today, and told you where you can get new information. You ignored it and pretended it was an ad hominem, then went off on some useless and meaningless attack:
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Originally Posted by powerclown
edit: So everyone not abiding by hosts political doctrine is irrelevant. Into the disintegration machines with them. I can imagine to myself what hosts America would look like. Thoughts of inverted peace symbols, moldy peony incense, armadas of "che gueverra" tshirt factories, and goosestepping, overweight neohippies with the munchies peeing all over themselves. I do not want hosts America.
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Oy vey. This is what's called a personal attack. I remember them from the Ustwo days. I would ask that you practice some restraint with attacking your fellow members, especially when it's clear you have no idea what Host would make of the world if he were god for a day. I could take a stab at it, but the only person who could really answer that question would be host.
Edit: I suppose the flip side would be those who support the administration. They would support wiretapping, bypassing the law and that's completely unchecked. They would support the attacking of those who did not follow the administration, be the attacks subtle or gross. They would support endless wars intended to create opportunities for corporations who have highly placed political allies to make billions of dollars, funded by our taxes. They would support the centralization of all government and military power into the office of the president/despot. They would watch without a care in the world as our civil liberties melted away. Honestly, I'd be frightened of a world that those who support the current administration would dream of.
That's what concerns a liberal such as myself. What kind of world do you want to leave your children? A world without war or poverty or famine? A world where they can speak out against the selfish or the greedy in power, where they can publish articles challenging power, where one can freely practice religion and cannot be arrested and held without due process?