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Originally Posted by reconmike
Sorry but Armitage WAS the first person to leak Plame's name, he did it to Novak on july 7, so if ya want to split hairs Armitage actually said Plame was an op a whole day before Libby even insinuated he knew of a undercover op.
Again July 7th is the day Novak found out Plame's name a day before Libby met with Miller.
And to answer your questions here;
<h2>No Libby did not leak shit</h2>
And I have been trying to fuck Morgan Fairchild for years, doesnt mean I have suceeded.
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...reconmiike, Libby was not charged with leaking details of Valerie Plame's employment, or her connection to Joe Wilson....and his oped did not appear in the NY Times until July 6, 2003...so what's this, on June 23?
<b>Background....reported 15 months before Libby's criminal trial, and just days before Fitzgerald indicted Libby:</b>
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http://nationaljournal.com/about/njw...05/1020nj1.htm
WHITE HOUSE
Secret Service Records Prompted Key Miller Testimony
By Murray Waas, special to National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
<h3>Thursday, Oct. 20, 2005</h3>
New York Times reporter Judith Miller told the federal grand jury in the CIA leak case that she might have met with I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby on June 23, 2003 only after prosecutors showed her Secret Service logs that indicated she and Libby had indeed met that day in the Executive Office Building adjacent to the White House, according to attorneys familiar with her testimony.
When a prosecutor first questioned Miller during her initial grand jury appearance on September 30, 2005 sources said, she did not bring up the June 23 meeting in recounting her various contacts with Libby, the chief of staff to Vice President Cheney. Pressed by prosecutors who then brought up the specific date of the meeting, Miller testified that she still could not recall the June meeting with Libby, in which they discussed a controversial CIA-sponsored mission to Africa by former Ambassador Joe Wilson, or the fact that his wife, Valerie Plame, worked for the CIA.
When a prosecutor presented Miller with copies of the White House-complex visitation logs, she said such a meeting was possible.
Shortly after her September 30 testimony, <h3>Miller discovered her notes from the June 23 meeting, and returned on October 12 for a second round of grand jury testimony. In this second appearance, Miller recounted details from her June 23 meeting with Libby, with the assistance of her notes.</h3>
Bob Bennett, an attorney for Miller, confirmed in an interview that Miller's October 12 testimony "corrected" her earlier statements to the grand jury regarding the June 23 meeting. Bennett declined to provide specifics of anything Miller said during either of her grand jury appearances, except to say: "We went back on the second occasion to provide those additional notes that were found, and correct the grand jury testimony reflecting on the June 23 meeting."
Bennett said that Miller's testimony is now "correct, complete, and accurate." .....
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Reporting of Judith Miller's testimony at Libby's trial:
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...013000178.html
Reporter's Account Hurts Libby Defense
Miller Testifies of White House Aide's Unmasking of Agent
By Carol D. Leonnig and Amy Goldstein
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, January 31, 2007; Page A01
.....Deliberately and sometimes defensively offering her account in Libby's perjury trial, Miller told the jury that "a very irritated and angry" <h2>Libby told her in a confidential conversation on June 23, 2003, that the wife of a prominent critic of the Iraq war worked at the CIA. Libby had told investigators he believed he first learned that information from another journalist nearly three weeks later -- the assertion at the core of the charges against him........</h2>
.....Miller testified that Libby, then the chief of staff to Vice President Cheney, shared this information as they talked alone in his office in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building and that he complained that the CIA and a former ambassador were unfairly trying to blame the White House for using faulty intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq. <h2>He then mentioned that the wife of the ambassador, Joseph C. Wilson IV, worked at a bureau of the CIA.....</h2>
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Unofficial transcript of Fitzgerald's questioning of Miller, at Libby's trial, to further explain preceding WaPo reporting.....
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http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/3...live-judy-one/
Libby Live: Judy One
By: emptywheel
.........Fitzgerald: Did there come a time when you met with Libby
<h2>Miller: In OEOB, June 23. (Voice waivers)</h2>
M Mr. Libby appeared agitated and frustrated and angry
F HOw could you tell
M He's a lowkey and controlled guy, what he said made me think I was correct. He was concerned that CIA was beginning to backpdal to distance self from unequivocal estimates it provided before the war through a "perverted war of leaks."
F Did the topic of Joseph Wilson come up
F What do you recall was said
M His office had learned that he had been sent overseas, initially referred to as clandestine guy. VP had asked about a report in Winter 2002, in Africa, CIA hd sent Mr Wilson out to investigate claim.
F Was Libby saying VP sent WIlson
M the contrary. He said that VP did not know that Mr Wilson had been sent.
2:29
F What he said about Winter 2002 and how it related to trip.
M There had been reports, a report had gone up to the Hill indicating that Iraq hunting for uranium in Niger. VP had asked about those reporters, agency had taken upon itself to find out more. In the beginning he referred to Wilson as clandestine guy.
<h2>F Mr. Wilson's wife (voice not in great shape)
M Yes, when he was discussing intell reporting, he said his wife (referring to Wilson) worked in the bureau
F What did you understand bureau to mean</h2>
M I was a little unsure, My understanding was FBI, <h2>but the context it was clear he was referring to CIA
F Any particular bureau?
M I thought he was using bureau to refer to Nonproliferation burea, but I wasn't sure.</h2>
F How did you write it in notes
M In parentheses. He had mentioned it as an aside or because I was puzzled by it. I put a question mark about it.
F Why
M I can't be sure.
F any other discussion.
Sidebar.
Judy slouches, looks at lawyers.
2:32
Big eyes, looking forward.
F Any other conversation about pres and WH and CIA?
M Yes, Mr Libby seemed really unhappy and irritated abotu the fact that he accused CIA of leaking info that would distance agency from earlier estimates. He said that nobody had ever come to WH from CIA and said Mr. Pres, this is not correct, this is not right. He thought if CIA had such doubts they should have shared them
F relevance to Wilson
M People were beginning to focus on Wilson, but Wilson was a ruse, an irrelevance
F Did you cover the area you were assigned to.
Walton Was he using Wilson's name
M First as a clandestine guy, then began talking about Joe Wilson by name
F Returning to conversation about the wife working in bureau, did he indicate whether he had heard it from reporters
M NO
F Op-ed?
M Yes. I was surprised by it. Because it was first time that someone who had purported to be part of collection mechanism, first time someone was publicly alleging that admin had lied or distorted info about WMD. It was a serious charge. Second thing that surprised me, I wondered how the CIA would have permitted him to write such an article attacking the president.
Now speaking with her hands.
M Or excuse me sir–or whether it had approved it.
F You met with Libby again
M July 8 at St Regis, in dining room. Mr Libby's choice. About 2 hours.
F Did Libby have papers
M piece of paper in pocket
F Single or more than one
M DOn't remember. Libby was frustrated, quietly agitated. more wideranging discussion about intell that admin had collected and Powell presentation.
F June 23 ground rules:
M Off the record
F At beginning of July 8
M No discussion at beginning of specific attributions
F Mr Wilson was discussed, did ground rules remain same
<h3>M Ground rules changed. Libby said, when we shifted into alleged efforts to acquire uranium, he wanted to be identified on deeper background and I think he said something like Former Hill staffer
F had you ever been asked by him before to treat him as Former Hill staffer
M No
F demeanor?
M Equally frustrated and unhappy</h3>
F what discussed. [Judy uncomfortable]
M SAid plenty of info before Powell presentation was given, supporting Iraq hunting uranium, it had been shown that IRaq HAD acquired uranium in Africa, prior to 1st gulf war, in 80s IAEA stated taht Iraq had acquired, after that several different reports that Iraq in market again for uranium. 2 reports, for a long-term arrangement for large quantities, and then a shorter term amount, then referred to anohter report, a third report, the arrival of a delegation in 1999 this delegation was seeking a broader trade relationship, since Niger only had one export, officials had concluded that Iraq was interested in uranium, Author of this report was Joe Wilson. The report had gone up to the Hill. Talking about info provided to Hill, which had prompted VP questions.
<h2>F Did he indicate who provided this report
M CIA
F Discussion about Mr. Wilson's wife on this occasion.
M Two streams of reporting on uranium and efforst by Iraq to aquire uranium, first stream reports like Wilson, –then made an aside, Wilson's wife works at WINPAC Weapons Intelligence Nonproliferation and Arms Control, specifically focused on WMD.
F Before June 23, had you ever heard that Wilson's wife worked at CIA/
M Not before that meeting
F On July 8, any new info
M WINPAC was new
F Any discussion of covert or non-covert?
M Not that I remember no, No discussion whether she was classified or non-classified.
F Any discussion of learnign this from other newspaper reporters.
F discussion about NIE </h2>
M Defended NIE, based on reporting from many different sources He said classified version even stronger, it was not at all equivocal. Said if anything classified was stronger
F Any qualificatoin, any place where a doubt would be expressed
M Yes, didn't know classified or unclassified, said INR had expressed doubts about uranium hunting, alleged uranium hunting activities, had been included in appendix. What he was saying was that these doubts not prominently featured. He said policy makers had not seen them
F Did you take notes, anything particular about process
Obejction sustained
F Pen or pencil
M Used pen. The pen didn't work
2:46
F Did you talk to other people
M I think I did, as soon as I remember learning about Wilson's wife
M I don't remember who, I consulted my notes, references by initials and names, not tied to any interview in any notebook, can't remember whether it was before or after info became public.
F Did you speak to him again
M Wanted follow-up. We agreed to speak on phone, I recall less about that meeting. The first time Libby called me I was getting into a taxi, I couldn't take notes, Didn't want to talk in a taxi, spoke from home in Sag Harbor
F Did you take notes, have you reviewed those notes, clear memory of conversation
M Not very clearly–
F what do you remember
M I remember telling him that I didn't think I was going to write a story about it, the NYT wasn't interested in pursuing Plame story. We talked about retraction of 16 words. It was more following up on other two conversations. Don't have specific memory of other things
F saw Libby in person
M In Jackson Hole WY, at a rodeo, I went with my husband. This figure approached me, began talking to me, it became time to introduce husband, it became clearer I didn't know who it was. Judy, you don't know who this is, sunglasses, black t-shirt, cowboy boots. I had never seen him in any thing but a suit. Just some banter about meeting in Aspen. Meeting of Aspen startegy group. Topic had been lack of WMD in Iraq.
F A subpoena, what did you do in response
M I decided to fight the subpoena
F Where, who
M Judge Hogan, we lost effort to quash subpoena, we appealed, Federal Appellate court, our appeal was rejected, appealed to SCOTUS, SCOTUS declined to hear case. I returned to Hogan's chambers, he ordered me to comply, I told him I did not have a waiver from my source that I believed was person. I was held in contempt.....
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If you were one of the eleven jurors who voted Libby guilty, and you listened to Miller's trial testimony, and then you later read reconmike's post about Armitage, how credible would reconmike seem to you....about as credible as Scooter Libby or Dick Cheney?
<h2>It's as if those remaining supporters of this still outrageous and illegal Bush/Cheney "treason op" are either sniffing glue, were brainwashed by Rove and the RNC, or both !</h2>
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