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Old 07-06-2007, 04:31 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by powerclown
Understood. I acknowledge politics being played on both sides of the aisle...spilling over into the public domain. My thing is that <b>this trial was on very, very shaky and partisan ground from the start, initiated by an anti-war politico with a frogmarch agenda</b>. I think what Joe Wilson tried to do policically was shady, and the white house fought back politically.


Playing Politics with Libby
by Alan Dershowitz
Posted July 3, 2007 | 10:09 AM (EST)

The outcry against President Bush's decision to commute Scooter Libby's sentence is misplaced. President Bush acted hours after the U.S. Court of Appeals denied Libby bail pending appeal. That judicial decision was entirely political. The appellate judges had to see that Libby's arguments on appeal were sound and strong -- that under existing law he was entitled to bail pending appeal. (That is why I joined several other law professors in filing an amicus brief on this limited issue.) After all, if he were to be sent to jail for a year and then if his conviction were to be reversed on appeal, he could not get the year back. But if he remained out on bail and then lost the appeal, the government would get its year. In non-political cases, bail should have and probably would have been granted on issues of the kind raised by Libby.

But <b>the court of appeals' judges, as well as the district court judge, wanted to force President Bush's hand. They didn't want to give him the luxury of being able to issue a pardon before the upcoming presidential election.</b> Had Libby been allowed to be out on appeal, he would probably have remained free until after the election. It would then have been possible for President Bush to pardon him after the election but before he left office, as presidents often do during the lame duck hiatus. To preclude that possibility, the judges denied Libby bail pending appeal. The president then acted politically. But the president's action -- whether right or wrong on its merits -- was well within his authority, since pardons are part of the political process, not the judicial process. What the judges did was also political, but that was entirely improper, because judges are not allowed to act politically. They do act politically, of course, as evidenced by the Supreme Court's disgracefully political decision in Bush v. Gore. But the fact that they do act politically does not make it right. It is never proper for a court to take partisan political considerations into account when seeking to administer justice in an individual case.

<b>The trial judge too acted politically, when he imposed the harshly excessive sentence on Libby</b>, virtually provoking the president into commuting it.

This was entirely a political case from beginning to end. Libby's actions were political. The decision to appoint a special prosecutor was political. The trial judges' rulings were political. The appellate court judges' decision to deny bail was political. And the president's decision to commute the sentence was political. But only the president acted within his authority by acting politically in commuting the politically motivated sentence.
powerclown...re-reading your logic and that of Dershowitz in his oped piece in your post #64, makes me question my own sanity, since I have to assume that you think that what Dershowitz wrote, is sensible and credible, and that there is a comparison between the "partisanship" shown by the SCOTUS majority in Bush v. Gore, and the alleged (by you, and by Dershowitz) partisanship levied against Libby, by...of all people... Judge Reggie Walton, and 4th district appellate court
Judge David Sentelle....

You're blowing my mind, powerclown.....it's as if you are telling me that it is pouring rain, when I see with my own eyes, that the sun is shining, and there isn't a cloud in the sky.

This post describes partisan treatment of a convicted, high profile defendant in a politically charge case, and no opportunity was afforded the sentenced person to remain free while he filed a motion to stay free pending appeal, and then while he was afforded an emergency appellate hearing that contested the trial judges decision:

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...49&postcount=3

I grew more incredulous when I compared the opinions of you and Dershowitz, to the facts in the Libby case, Gore v. Bush, and the Gov. Siegelman case, and now I cannot fathom that you and Dershowitz even inhabit the same intellectual planet that I inhabit.....

...are the two of you _________? ...I'll leave it to others to complete my question, and I'm convinced by your opinion and your posting of Dershowitz's oped, that we need two separate forums on TFP to discuss politics.....I concede that we truly are that far apart now, and I cannot accept that any two people, knowing the backgrounds of Judge Walton and Judge Sentelle, and not both diagnosed clinically as paranoid personalities, could independently come up with the idea that those two judges....or anyone at DOJ involved in Libby's case, acted...in any way...from any influences of partisan prejudices AGAINST Libby, in any imaginable, or even unimaginable way...it's just not possible for that to have happened.....

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