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roachboy · 07-06-2007, 11:03 AM

horseshit, ace.
if you do even the slightest bit of research on this program--and i mean ANY research--you will find a number of problems that, like it or not, are real: to wit

1. it really is not within any accepted definition of executive power that a president (well, vice-president) can decide that a law he does not like can be ignored. congress did not repeal the church act and it is therefore binding. that this administration does not like the law does not mean it is not bound by it. the administration is not sovereign, it is not the Source of Law which cannot be Bound by Law because it is the Source--so cheney's carl schmitt fantasies reach their limit (look up carl schmitt sometime)

2. given that the law has not been repealed and is therefore binding, all acts which have been authorized by way of signing orders and the like are violations. the are all actionable.

but if there were such legal cases that went to trial, the outcome would not be given in advance simply because there is a raison d'etat argument that the administration DOES have available to it which has as its base teh actions of a grovelling republican-controlled congress.

so while it is not obvious how such a process would go, it IS nonetheless clear that what is happening in this situation is real--and not simply "political grandstanding"--by which i take it you mean "initiated by parties which are not republican" as a synonym for "without merit" simply because if a is true then b is as well and even saying the two statements one after the other is almost a tautology.

or so it appears from your posts, ace: hell, i dont even know why you bother to type them. they seem implied--you could just post an empty box and everyone could fill in the phrase "x is political grandstanding" if the situation involves parties who are not the bush administration and "y was entirely justified" if the situation involves the bush administration.

07-06-2007, 11:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	horseshit, ace. if you do even the slightest bit of research on this program--and i mean ANY research--you will find a number of problems that, like it or not, are real: to wit 1. it really is not within any accepted definition of executive power that a president (well, vice-president) can decide that a law he does not like can be ignored. congress did not repeal the church act and it is therefore binding. that this administration does not like the law does not mean it is not bound by it. the administration is not sovereign, it is not the Source of Law which cannot be Bound by Law because it is the Source--so cheney's carl schmitt fantasies reach their limit (look up carl schmitt sometime) 2. given that the law has not been repealed and is therefore binding, all acts which have been authorized by way of signing orders and the like are violations. the are all actionable. but if there were such legal cases that went to trial, the outcome would not be given in advance simply because there is a raison d'etat argument that the administration DOES have available to it which has as its base teh actions of a grovelling republican-controlled congress. so while it is not obvious how such a process would go, it IS nonetheless clear that what is happening in this situation is real--and not simply "political grandstanding"--by which i take it you mean "initiated by parties which are not republican" as a synonym for "without merit" simply because if a is true then b is as well and even saying the two statements one after the other is almost a tautology. or so it appears from your posts, ace: hell, i dont even know why you bother to type them. they seem implied--you could just post an empty box and everyone could fill in the phrase "x is political grandstanding" if the situation involves parties who are not the bush administration and "y was entirely justified" if the situation involves the bush administration. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite