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Cynthetiq · 07-03-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenny Hatch

The onus is on all of you to PROVE to me that Medicated Birth is better than Freebirth.

Prove to me with links, quotes, studies, etc etc...that medical birth is SAFER FOR BOTH THE MOTHER AND THE BABY.

Please share scientific evidence that PROVES families are better served economically, socially, spiritually, physically, emotionally, and hormonally by Hospital Birth.

Go ahead, you are the ones with all the science on your side.

Prove it.

Jenny Hatch

More tu quoque? Again, you are the one asserting your beliefs here, and people challenged you to it. You easily could have stated up fron that it was your emotional and religious beliefs that bring you to where you are today. It would have stood as it is. But to insinuate flawed statistics as supportive of your choices, many of us will double check that. Many of us will do the due diligence to understand.

But I'll take the challenge because it keeps me honed on finding research and doublechecking someone else's facts. It also is a good way for me to verify my own beliefs with facts as opposed to taking that leap of faith that someone else who was credible to pass on their belief to me instead of me finding my own evidence.

I'll start with entries from wikipedia and work my way out:

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Infant mortality is the death of infants in the first year of life. The most common cause of infant mortality worldwide has traditionally been dehydration from diarrhea. Because of the success of spreading information about Oral Rehydration Solution (a mixture of salts, sugar, and water) to mothers around the world, the rate of children dying from dehydration has been decreasing and has become the second most common cause in the late 1990s. Currently the most common cause is pneumonia. Major causes of infant mortality in more developed countries include congenital malformation, infection and SIDS.

Infanticide, abuse, abandonment, and neglect may also contribute to infant mortality.

Related statistical categories:

Perinatal mortality only includes deaths between the foetal viability (28 weeks gestation) and the end of the 7th day after delivery.
Neonatal mortality only includes deaths in the first 27 days of life.
Post-neonatal death only includes deaths after 28 days of life but before one year.
Child mortality includes deaths within the first five years after birth.
Infant mortality rate (IMR) is the number of newborns dying under a year of age divided by the number of live births during the year. The infant mortality rate is also called the infant death rate. In past times, infant mortality claimed a considerable percentage of children born, but the rates have significantly declined in the West in modern times, mainly due to improvements in basic health care, though high technology medical advances have also helped. Infant mortality rate is commonly included as a part of standard of living evaluations in economics.

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Perinatal Mortality Rate
The PNMR refers to the number of perinatal deaths per 1,000 total births. It is usually reported on an annual basis. It is a major marker to assess the quality of health care delivery. Comparisons between different rates may be hampered by varying definitions, registration bias, and differences in the underlying risks of the populations.

from Nationmaster.com

from Statemaster.com

PNMRs vary widely and may be below 10 for certain developed countries and more than 10 times higher in developing countries [1]. The WHO has not published contemporary data.

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WHO
Probability of dying (per 1000) under age five years (under-5 mortality rate)

Rationale for use
Under-5 mortality rate is a leading indicator of the level of child health and overall development in countries. It is also a MDG indicator.

Definition
Probability of a child born in a specific year or period dying before reaching the age of five, if subject to age-specific mortality rates of that period.

Associated terms
Under-5 mortality rate, is strictly speaking, not a rate (i.e. the number of deaths divided by the number of population at risk during a certain period of time) but a probability of death derived from a life table and expressed as rate per 1,000 live births.

Live birth refers to the complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of a product of conception, irrespective of the duration of the pregnancy, which, after such separation, breathes or shows any other evidence of life - e.g. beating of the heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles - whether or not the umbilical cord has been cut or the placenta is attached. Each product of such a birth is considered live born.

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Global infant mortality trends
For the world, and for both Less Developed Countries (LDCs) and More Developed Countries (MDCs), IMR declined significantly between 1960 and 2001. World infant mortality rate declined from 198 in 1960 to 83 in 2001.

Infant mortality is inversely related to per capita GDP.However, IMR remained higher in LDCs. In 2001, the Infant Mortality Rate for Less Developed Countries (91) was about 10 times as large as it was for More Developed Countries (8). For Least Developed Countries, the Infant Mortality Rate is 17 times as high as it is for More Developed Countries. Also, while both LDCs and MDCs made dramatic reductions in infant mortality rates, reductions among less developed countries are much less than are reductions among the more developed countries, on average.

Now one would think that the freebirthing movement would be exactly what the poorer countries are doing naturally right? There is no presence of big hospitals? People being able to birth at home. Angola? Ethiopia? Bangladesh? High infant mortality.

Iceland with hospitals and midwives, very low infant mortality.